Can we learn something from super rugby?

[Marlins]

For goodness sake, why is it that we can see the opportunities, but the actual administrators can't - or just too blinkered and stubborn in their ways to look beyond what we have now?

They have no BALLS

 

[Perth Red]

The NRL can't organise the competition it has got, let alone build a bigger and brighter one.

 

[Perth Red]

One minute you bang on about crowd numbers,the next you bang on about it looking worse.
It's what comes out in the final tally in the crowds.Whether it looks worse or not.The crowds are used as the bragging rights.
May have looked worse,but if they got 30-35,000 at least the code is able to say it's more than they would have got at the SFS.And 30,000 plus at ANZ doesn't look much worse than a small SFS with empty tops and ends.Who knows with the fickle Dog's fans they may have got 35-40,000
The sooner ANZ is made rectangular half of the crowd issues would be solved.

Better we are embarrassed by 20k seats than be totally embarrassed by 55k empty ones! Especially after the AFL success at filling 60k of them a couple of nights before.

 

[taipan]

Better we are embarrassed by 20k seats than be totally embarrassed by 55k empty ones! Especially after the AFL success at filling 60k of them a couple of nights before.

The AFL had 71,000 as few years ago with the Swans/Collingwood (the AFL huge crowd drawer),that figure is greater than the 60,000 on a sunny day with no competition from any code.And I might add very ordinary TV ratings.
The same AFL people like yourself were banging on about the sky is falling in.NRL woke the next day,the sun still shone.
The code got over 90,000 at the G for a mid week SOO.Did we state we were taking over FFS?
But ,but ,but.it's the crowds,That is the criteria everyone seems to bang on about.You mention it when crowd averages are down.Ignoring of course the fact NRL clubs take games to Darwin and Bathurst which can affect crowd averages.
Look I have no real idea how many the Dogs Panthers game would have got at ANZ,but ANZ is the Dog's home ground and is a lot closer to Penrith than the SFS.Cool logic suggests they would have got a lot more.So how the hell would you know if there would be 55,000 empty ones at ANZ.

SFS was never going to get 30-40,000 based on the Dog's form and the distance for the Panthers.

Just as well the Panthers were not playing Perth at the SFS in a semi as an example.
Do I wish NRL crowds were bigger ? Of course.
Do I believe a rectangular ANZ,a new Parra stadium and a refurbished SFS will boost crowds? Yes.

 

[taipan]

The NRL can't organise the competition it has got, let alone build a bigger and brighter one.

Pretty hard when the Tv stations control the scheduling,a fact you(as an AFL fan) continually ignore.

 

[Marlins]

Better we are embarrassed by 20k seats than be totally embarrassed by 55k empty ones! Especially after the AFL success at filling 60k of them a couple of nights before.

Yea but they only got 150k viewers in Sydney that's sweet f**k all. We get more for a 3:30 game played on Saturday between Newcastle n st.George

 

[Perth Red]

Walking through Martin place (Sydney cbd) this morning there was a big afl display promotioning afl nines and clear positioning forwomen to get involved. Pretty depressing for an NRL city.

 

[Perth Red]

Yea but they only got 150k viewers in Sydney that's sweet f**k all. We get more for a 3:30 game played on Saturday between Newcastle n st.George

So we should, it's supposed to be an NRL city ffs! More comparative would be how many did the storm get in Melbourne in comparison?

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Walking through Martin place (Sydney cbd) this morning there was a big afl display promotioning afl nines and clear positioning forwomen to get involved. Pretty depressing for an NRL city.

f**k off.

Just f**k off.

 

[Perth Red]

Pretty hard when the Tv stations control the scheduling,a fact you(as an AFL fan) continually ignore.

Yeh basically we are having to buy back sht we should never have given up in the first place. Merkins have always run our game, sadly into the ground.

 

[Perth Red]

f**k off.

Just f**k off.

Insightful, I said the same when I saw it.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Insightful, I said the same when I saw it.

That's what I mean.

You should have shit in your hand and thrown it at them.

Then ripped the sleeves off your shirt to show them who is boss.

It's a war. Let's fight dirty.

 

[Perth Red]

Was quite funny they had a target thing and getting passers by to handball the ball into it. There was a big Maori looking work guy in a flouro top trying it and looking totally bemused as he did it. I am not sure if they converted him lol. Some of the suit types seemed more interested and a few women sadly stopped and chatted to the female afl Development girls

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Was quite funny they had a target thing and getting passers by to handball the ball into it. There was a big Maori looking work guy in a flouro top trying it and looking totally bemused as he did it. I am not sure if they converted him lol. Some of the suit types seemed more interested and a few women sadly stopped and chatted to the female afl Development girls

Their PR and marketing is first rate.

Nrl should head hunting and paying them double.

There needs to be a business, member, fan led initiative to take the nrl to task on their whole of game.

 

[Perth Red]

They could start by getting a presence in the city. Been here a couple of days in all the usual spots in the city and you wouldn't know NRL is played here. The games presence on a day to day basis is non existent in the heart of the city. Given the number of tourists that visit Sydney and the known outcomes of public perception surely a rolling program of promotion in the city would be a start? "NRL, Sydney's game" should be on every street corner (figuratively speaking). I wonder what the marketing team at nrlhq actually do all day?

 

[taipan]

Yeh basically we are having to buy back sht we should never have given up in the first place. Merkins have always run our game, sadly into the ground.

Blame the SL war peace deal,nothing to do with the ARLC.

 

[taipan]

Walking through Martin place (Sydney cbd) this morning there was a big afl display promotioning afl nines and clear positioning forwomen to get involved. Pretty depressing for an NRL city.

The Swans won the G/F in 1995 and had a street parade in Sydney.Rugby league continued unhindered.

 

[taipan]

They could start by getting a presence in the city. Been here a couple of days in all the usual spots in the city and you wouldn't know NRL is played here. The games presence on a day to day basis is non existent in the heart of the city. Given the number of tourists that visit Sydney and the known outcomes of public perception surely a rolling program of promotion in the city would be a start? "NRL, Sydney's game" should be on every street corner (figuratively speaking). I wonder what the marketing team at nrlhq actually do all day?

They sit on their a*se reading your whining comments and twiddle their thumbs.

 

[flippikat]

Blame the SL war peace deal,nothing to do with the ARLC.

Yes and no. The peace deal (which cost us some expansion teams that we're looking at getting back) would obviously have been negotiated by the ARL & Newscorp.. so the two governing bodies had to be party to that settlement.

Newscorp wouldn't have cared whether Perth, Adelaide, Gold Coast or the Crushers survived - and in fact it suited them to let those expansion clubs die - re-establishes the Broncos monopoly & reduces operational costs for the new NRL comp (less teams, FAR less travel costs).. which means Newscorp could pitch the rights for a steal.

Seeing that, ARL would've sighed a huge sigh of relief - they didn't mind axing frontier teams (better them than our traditional Sydney mates) - and so it was in 1998-9, including the cannabalising of the Steelers by St George. Yes they had to swallow 2 dead rats in the Wests Tigers and Northern Eagles.. but it wasn't the radical downsizing of Sydney that they were fearing.

If either side was going to stand up for the frontier teams it might've been the ARL, but if they had done that, News would've demanded deeper cuts to the number of Sydney teams. No chance the ARL would do that.

 

[taipan]

Yes and no. The peace deal (which cost us some expansion teams that we're looking at getting back) would obviously have been negotiated by the ARL & Newscorp.. so the two governing bodies had to be party to that settlement.

Newscorp wouldn't have cared whether Perth, Adelaide, Gold Coast or the Crushers survived - and in fact it suited them to let those expansion clubs die - re-establishes the Broncos monopoly & reduces operational costs for the new NRL comp (less teams, FAR less travel costs).. which means Newscorp could pitch the rights for a steal.

Seeing that, ARL would've sighed a huge sigh of relief - they didn't mind axing frontier teams (better them than our traditional Sydney mates) - and so it was in 1998-9, including the cannabalising of the Steelers by St George. Yes they had to swallow 2 dead rats in the Wests Tigers and Northern Eagles.. but it wasn't the radical downsizing of Sydney that they were fearing.

If either side was going to stand up for the frontier teams it might've been the ARL, but if they had done that, News would've demanded deeper cuts to the number of Sydney teams. No chance the ARL would do that.

Yes you are correct News had spent $400m and they couldn't give a rats about frontier teams.
The peace deal gave the News mob the Tv rights (F&L) til 2023 .The ARL had no money in the bank,the $20m plus they did have was use to prevent players going to SL and help Gould.
We were screwed by the deal,by the. sheer weight of News money and their media clout.All the ARL had leftover were the players.
It was only as the result of the last Tv deal which involved News Kim Williams ,that the ARLC got the F&L clause removed.And only when News pulled out of the joint ownership,that the NRL could see daylight.
In addition we had clubs so dependent on poker machine monies and run by former players /well meaning people that put many clubs in financially delicate positions such as West Tigers,Sharks,Knights and later incompetence for the Titans.
The code has never had the money like the AFL ATM to throw at expansion clubs,whilst some NRL clubs needed new pro management and financial stability.

I look at it hypothetically,if as a result of the peace deal,News had pulled out of joint ownership with no F&L rights,we would have expanded by now.When we negotiated Tv deals with them ,it was like selling to half of you ,the other half the buyer.Our Tv deals were shown to be crap,when AFL trumped us time and time again.Now we go close to matching them.
The radical downsizing of the Sydney clubs as a result of the peace deal gave the Swans,the Waratahs a huge leg up.I witnessed it first hand dealing with people(Bears' supporters) when I was involved in marketing on the north shore,who went over to the Swans and Tahs,even a few I know from joint venture clubs.
That is why I cannot support any further Sydney team reductions.You can still have expansion,but no more gifts to our competitors.