Captain's challenge system

[tumbidragon]

So the captain can challenge decisions not only in the result of a TRY, but also in general play? If so,when can he approach the ref and challenge a decision during general play?

 

[sharknows]

The video refs have already displayed their incompetence, why give them another avenue to confirm that. I've seen it work in Holden cup but that doesn't necessarily mean it will work in NRL. There are many more influencing forces at work in NRL.

 

[madunit]

Oh dear

I've got a feeling this is going to make matters worse for officials.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

What a load of shit.

The players wouldn't have known so wouldn't have used the captains challenge.

This.

I doubt that would even be allowed to be challenged. What would the refs do, go back to the 6th tackle and call it a handover? How would that have been fair on the Sharks then?

Horrible example. The challenge will be for penalties/knock on calls/strips, basically things that already result in a stoppage anyway.

 

[madunit]

We should just adopt superleagues system. Its better

 

[Canard]

This.

I doubt that would even be allowed to be challenged. What would the refs do, go back to the 6th tackle and call it a handover? How would that have been fair on the Sharks then?

Horrible example. The challenge will be for penalties/knock on calls/strips, basically things that already result in a stoppage anyway.

Its a stupid example, but surely its within the rules to say no you go to many tackles in that set. I can't see how its Unfair anyway.

Can someone explain Superleague's system?

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

This.

I doubt that would even be allowed to be challenged. What would the refs do, go back to the 6th tackle and call it a handover? How would that have been fair on the Sharks then?

Horrible example. The challenge will be for penalties/knock on calls/strips, basically things that already result in a stoppage anyway.

Except when one hasn't been used and a team is under the pump at the end of a half. Then they basically challenge anything just to get the advantage of a break in play and a chance to get some breath back.

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

Can also see this going the way it has in cricket. A team will burn the challenge on something stupid early in the half and then later, some howler will be unable to be overturned because the challenge is gone and people will scream bloody murder anyway.

 

[no name]

I reckon it will make the refs f**k up more.
If they make a call, it gets challenged and overturned, they'll be nervous an be prone to more errors.
I'm not sure what the ideal set up would be, but I don't think this is it.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Except when one hasn't been used and a team is under the pump at the end of a half. Then they basically challenge anything just to get the advantage of a break in play and a chance to get some breath back.

And then their is a bad error which leads to a try a few tackles later, and cause they used it for a breather they now can't use it to review a play. So it can bite them hard to use it for that reason.

From what I have seen in the U20's, I think it will work well.

 

[Danish]

To my mind the biggest problem is going to be stuff like the Taufua try against Cronulla.

Ref rules try, captain challenges, replays show he dropped it, video ref rules try anyway. Sharks get docked a challenge for their troubles.

Works well in cricket when for the most part there are black and white ways to rule on their decisions like with hawkeye, but considering everything in league is subjective it could wind up being a complete shambles.

 

[Dogs Of War]

To my mind the biggest problem is going to be stuff like the Taufua try against Cronulla.

Ref rules try, captain challenges, replays show he dropped it, video ref rules try anyway. Sharks get docked a challenge for their troubles.

Works well in cricket when for the most part there are black and white ways to rule on their decisions like with hawkeye, but considering everything in league is subjective it could wind up being a complete shambles.

The way it has been used is in general play when a stinker is called. I see no reason to re-review things that have already gone to the video ref. You only get the one go a half, so I can't see teams using it mindlessly.

 

[Danish]

But isn't the captain's challenge brought in as a replacement to the video ref? Like refs will just make their on field decision, and the video ref only gets involved if the captain wants to challenge it?

 

[no name]

But isn't the captain's challenge brought in as a replacement to the video ref? Like refs will just make their on field decision, and the video ref only gets involved if the captain wants to challenge it?

From what I've seen the 20s have been using both (during the finals at least)

Surely you can't expect refs to make a decision without VR??????

 

[mepelthwack]

If the challenge is upheld and decision over ruled can that team get another challenge? They should IMO.

 

[Griffoshark66]

Not exactly true mate. Paul Bowman was up in the coaches box doing the game stats on a computer and identified immediately to Neil Henry that they were on the 7th tackle. If this captains challenge system was allowed, I'm sure a messaged could be relayed out to the trainers via radio headset pretty quickly to get one of the captains to challenge the try being awarded.

f**k that. The trainers spend far too much time on the field as is. This will only encourage them to spend more time out there.

 

[no name]

If the challenge is upheld and decision over ruled can that team get another challenge? They should IMO.

You don't lose a challenge if you get it right.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Its a stupid example, but surely its within the rules to say no you go to many tackles in that set. I can't see how its Unfair anyway.

Can someone explain Superleague's system?

Really? So if a team is tackled on their own 40m line on what should be the last tackle and then they get an extra tackle where they score a try only for the ref to bring it back and hand the ball to the opposition in great field position you don't think that's unfair?

Disallowing the try in that situation isn't the issue, it's about how do you fairly resume play?

 

[Desert Qlder]

Being such a radical change, it will no doubt bring on a myriad of unforeseen problems. As it has numerous times in our game over the last fifteen years.

The temptation to make change always proves to great in Rugby League, rather than working within current confines and improvement.

Frustration is borne out of this desire to change flippantly.

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Need to very careful with it.

One a half, right or wrong, you don't get another.