Central Coast Bears NRL Bid.

[LeagueXIII]

I think the Dragons should stay in Sydney or Wollongong.
But yep Sharks I am afraid are a big relocation candidate. Great relocatable name brand, small suburban area, cross against their name due to stabbing game in back 23 years ago.
Sharks, Panthers, sea eagles and Dogs are the relocation candidates.

News Corp, who have a huge say, won the war they certainly dont see Cronulla as stabbing the game in the back, infact they would see them as being loyal.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

FMD this again, i see new news of an expansion thread, and its undercut by a relocation strategy by the great donkey

Can the game expand with 9 teams in Sydney?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think the Dragons should stay in Sydney or Wollongong.
But yep Sharks I am afraid are a big relocation candidate. Great relocatable name brand, small suburban area, cross against their name due to stabbing game in back 23 years ago.
Sharks, Panthers, sea eagles and Dogs are the relocation candidates.

With Bulldogs and Sharks wedged between Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra Dragons territory, it would make sense to relocate Canterbury and Cronulla so the merged entities can become bigger. It would reward Dragons and Tigers for making a sacrifice 20 years ago and pledging loyalty to the ARL.

If Dragons were to remain I'd have them change their name to Southern Sydney Dragons, based at SFS and Wollongong.

 

[MugaB]

With Bulldogs and Sharks wedged between Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra Dragons territory, it would make sense to relocate Canterbury and Cronulla so the merged entities can become bigger. It would reward Dragons and Tigers for making a sacrifice 20 years ago and pledging loyalty to the ARL.

If Dragons were to remain I'd have them change their name to Southern Sydney Dragons, based at SFS and Wollongong.

Shut up!!!



....ignore

 

[Perth Red]

Can the game expand with 9 teams in Sydney?

Ive kind of given up hope the nrl can expand to where it should. Best hope for the future is a genuine second division with decent funding for clubs that cant get nrl licenses in a genuine competition.
At the moment it’s nrl or be a reserve grade club. We need to fill a void for places like ns, gosford, perth, Sunshine Coast, Redcliffe etc.

seems to me that in places like ns, if there still is lots of latent rl fans, we either need to give the region to an exist8 g nrl club to take over or create a genuine comp that ns fans can get behind the bears in. No one wants to go and watch their club be a reserve grade side for another club.

 

[T-Boon]

seems to me that in places like ns, if there still is lots of latent rl fans, we either need to give the region to an exist8 g nrl club to take over or create a genuine comp that ns fans can get behind the bears in. No one wants to go and watch their club be a reserve grade side for another club.

Yep, I think Get Rid Of Donkeys is right, the Roosters should take over the North Sydney northern districts area. No other team makes any sense. It is very easy now to get from NS to the Moore Park area. They should take a game or 2 each year to North Sydney Oval while trying to convert the area into Rooster territory.

 

[siv]

Yep, I think Get Rid Of Donkeys is right, the Roosters should take over the North Sydney northern districts area. No other team makes any sense. It is very easy now to get from NS to the Moore Park area. They should take a game or 2 each year to North Sydney Oval while trying to convert the area into Rooster territory.

Easts have already taken over the Bears territory and the CC

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yep, I think Get Rid Of Donkeys is right, the Roosters should take over the North Sydney northern districts area. No other team makes any sense. It is very easy now to get from NS to the Moore Park area. They should take a game or 2 each year to North Sydney Oval while trying to convert the area into Rooster territory.

RU and fumbleball have built a following on the North Shore and Northern Beaches. There's probably not enough RL fans in the CBD, North Shore and Northern Beaches to support 2 teams, so it's best to build the Roosters into a powerhouse that can draw a following of 25k or 30k hardcore fans over the next 30 years.

 

[taipan]

Any Sydney team that gets relocated the fans only have themselves to blame due to not turning up enough and if they do turn up not bringing enough other people with them and also not travelling to attend at close by other stadiums.

Better be careful what you wish for. Fans even in interstate clubs can be fickle at times, eg Titans and Warriors and Melbourne crowds depending on day and time played.
The Broncos when performing well draw est 30k in a city of 2m, a good average, but in a rl heartland city of that size? Sydney crowds based on population in various areas, don't look that bad by comparison .

Clubs would be relocated if they couldn't financially continue, full stop.

 

[taipan]

Can the game expand with 9 teams in Sydney?

Yep,yes,positively so,oui,si,ja, and every other yes one can think of. Head office believes so.
Is 9 is good.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yep,yes,positively so,oui,si,ja, and every other yes one can think of. Head office believes so.
Is 9 is good.

What about regional NSW, Adelaide and Perth?

You cannot have them in an 18 team completion that has 2 in Brisbane, 2 in NZ, 9 in Sydney, 1 in Newcastle, 1 in ACT, 1 in Townsville and 1 on the Gold Coast.

Can you honestly see Brookvale and Kogarah getting the upgrades needed to have a 21st century stadium that isn't an embarrassment to the game?

Brookvale gives the game a bad reputation and Manly don't have enough fans and territory to survive another 30 years.

Our best bet is to have Roosters play 8 at SFS and 4 at Central Coast, with Manly relocating to Adelaide.

Southern Sydney doesn't need 3 teams. Put the Sharks in Perth. West Coast Sharks. Dragons can play 8 games at SFS and 4 at Wollongong, with a grandstand built on the eastern terrace to make it a quality ground. South Sydney can play 6 at SFS and 6 at Parramatta Stadium. Having games played at actual stadiums will grow crowds and give the game credibility.

 

[Perth Red]

Easts have already taken over the Bears territory and the CC

they haven’t attracted any fans from those areas looking at their membership numbers!

 

[siv]

they haven’t attracted any fans from those areas looking at their membership numbers!

They are not after members

 

[Perth Red]

They are not after members

well they should be! The point of taking over ns and cc should be partly to build their supporter base and give rl fans in those areas a club they feel they can follow actively and the kids a club they can relate to and dream of playing for one day. Otherwise what’s the point?

 

[LeagueXIII]

Can the game expand with 9 teams in Sydney?

of course it can....it originally expanded with 12

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

of course it can....it originally expanded with 12

The game wasn't fully professional back then.

 

[flippikat]

of course it can....it originally expanded with 12

Sure, but some of those teams in 1995-6 were really really bad. Getting out to 20+ clubs is a huge risk. Do we have the playing & coaching talent for it?

I mean, do we really want 4 or 5 or more teams as bad as the early 90s Seagulls, Rabbitohs, or Eels.. or even worse, the 1999 Magpies?

Sure we have some stink teams now, but if we're not building depth we'll get far more of them if we just expand without some rationalisation of Sydney.

 

[Perth Red]

Sure, but some of those teams in 1995-6 were really really bad. Getting out to 20+ clubs is a huge risk. Do we have the playing & coaching talent for it?

I mean, do we really want 4 or 5 or more teams as bad as the early 90s Seagulls, Rabbitohs, or Eels.. or even worse, the 1999 Magpies?

Sure we have some stink teams now, but if we're not building depth we'll get far more of them if we just expand without some rationalisation of Sydney.

problem is how do you know? And is it even possible.
Look at origin it’s a competition of just two teams drawn from the best Australians in the nrl. The creme de lam creme of rugby league. By rights every game should be close and every game won by the slimmest of margins. The series should be close every time. Reality is with even just two teams you get good, very good and some pretty avg squads playing it with periods of dominance. I’m not sure you can really ever k ow or there’s enough talent for all clubs to be equal or if adding more clubs will in itself eventually generate more opportunities for talent to come through.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Sure, but some of those teams in 1995-6 were really really bad. Getting out to 20+ clubs is a huge risk. Do we have the playing & coaching talent for it?

I mean, do we really want 4 or 5 or more teams as bad as the early 90s Seagulls, Rabbitohs, or Eels.. or even worse, the 1999 Magpies?

Sure we have some stink teams now, but if we're not building depth we'll get far more of them if we just expand without some rationalisation of Sydney.

No we dont.

However the salary cap is better enforced today as it wasnt back then spreading the talent more evenly.

NZ and the pacific is producing far more players today.

Pathways and development is more structured.

It can be done.

 

[flippikat]

No we dont.

However the salary cap is better enforced today as it wasnt back then spreading the talent more evenly.

NZ and the pacific is producing far more players today.

Pathways and development is more structured.

It can be done.

Ok, so how big ultimately do you see the NRL growing to?

How many teams would be the "end state" for top tier expansion?