Central Coast Bears NRL Bid.

[MugaB]

QRL met with Logan City Council last year with plans on leasing fields at Heritage Park for a Queensland Cup team.

The two heads insult refers to people who are inbred. People used it against Tasmanians when it was reported that up to 50% of them have procreated with first cousins. That sort or thing doesn't happen in Queensland, but there is a case of extreme inbreeding within a family in NSW.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ons-of-inbreeding-found-at-filthy-Sydney-camp

Bears aren't coming back. They're history.

Yeah i get the gist of the 2 heads buddy, and QLDers are reffered to as 2 heads due to the big country style nature of brisbane and suncorp being packed, the joke is that
'they are counting both heads", hence the crowd numbers, anyways its a rugby league joke that gets thrown around during origin

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Whether they (Brisbane)are divided or not, and Sydney community is divided on loyalty, the fact remains 2.32m in a city, cannot fill a stadium or at least 32/43 on a regular basis ,says something.
You are comparing Brisbane traffic with Sydney.I suggest try working in Sydney city ,leaving work at 5pm, drive home for 1 hour, pick up family and try t get to Penrith/Parramatta/Manly on a Friday night before game time.
Sydney cannot keep pace with its auto growth, even allowing for new Motorways.

I was for the Crushers ,but remember 1995 was the first year of expanding, and 3 of the 4 new teams went to SL.
The Broncos used to dominate Brisbane big time, they have a decent fan base but do not dominate the airwaves or media like they did.And they were a clusterf*ck last year and so far this year "ain't" looking good.
2021 is not 1995.and a lot of crap has happened since.

A team in Logan would not have the small business backing that the Sharks have, and in fact eat into the already shaky fan base of the Broncos.Maybe even take away from the Titans.
They haven't applied for the 2nd Brisbane licence, which says something.The other Brisbane bids are far more advanced.

The Sharks have two licensed clubs and own their own ground, with retail and residential right next door.A captive audience or retail situation.Sydney has far more major businesses both big and small from which to aim for sponsors.The Sharks are fully sponsored ,including their own Stadium.Have money in the Bank.

I have no problem with more Brisbane teams I have always wanted the game to expand, provided they are sustainable.I do have a problem with people who want to flick sustainable ,traditional ,tribal Sydney clubs just for the purpose of getting a Brisbane team or elsewhere, which have not yet shown sustainability nor tribalism.Without it being fully researched, costed and not just the whims of people who appear not to understand the Sydney market.


Even Wayne Bennett (Brisbane bred )has come out yesterday stating he wants a 9 team conference in Sydney,to utilise the tribalism and local derbies that bring the crowds.
He understands the Dragons V Sharks rivalry and what it brings. Outsiders apparently do not.

Anyway I've run out of ink now,I need to get into training to help defend Taiwan.

You make good points. I am not against Sydney's clubs, I just want the game to grow stronger in all of its markets. I don't know much about Sydney and I am going by population, financials, ratings and attendances, so I am probably dead wrong. Phil Gould reckons a couple of teams will merge by 2030.

I wouldn’t want to see any club die like the Bears, hence the reason I suggested relocation to keep all 9 brands alive. There may come a time in the future where a team or 2 gets squeezed out, and if it does then I'd like to see it live on in Adelaide or Perth.

Logan does have businesses. It's literally Brisbane's version of Parramatta. The only Ikea in Brisbane is in Logan and many businesses are moving to the CBD that's being built in Springwood, which is under transformation to become the business centre of the city.

Logan Brothers is the largest club from the Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns Confraternity.

If North Sydney Beard wanted in then they could probably adopt Logan as their city. It would be a club that draws good ratings in Brisbane and Sydney. Just food for thought.

 

[LeagueXIII]

The big AFL clubs don't subsidise the smaller ones by choice. The AFL have a ticket tax and other programs that they use to funnel money and resources from the larger clubs to others that the AFL decides needs the subsidies.

Also who cares about "fans" that aren't putting anything back into the club.

How many fans a club has is totally meaningless to the sustainability of the club as a business, all that matters when it comes to the sustainability of the club as a business is how many customers they have.

Going by the fact that some of the Sydney clubs have been around for over 100 years at this point and still fail to convert a significant portion of their supposed fan-base into customers suggest that they are probably incapable of doing it.

Yes that is how the AFL operate, footy socialism, keeps the game healthy.

I see the Raiders who have been around for 40 years average over this time 11,469. Hardly anything to get carried away with.

Cronulla since 1967 have averaged 10,218.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yeah i get the gist of the 2 heads buddy, and QLDers are reffered to as 2 heads due to the big country style nature of brisbane and suncorp being packed, the joke is that
'they are counting both heads", hence the crowd numbers, anyways its a rugby league joke that gets thrown around during origin

I didn't know about that RL joke.
Broncos fans get around with egos big enough to fit 2 heads.

 

[The Great Dane]

Yes that is how the AFL operate, footy socialism, keeps the game healthy.

Nope, it just shackles the class to learning at the same pace as the slowest kid.

Throwing more money and resources than you can imagine at the grassroots nationwide, having a process to force meaningful change at failing clubs, a plan to grow nationally, and making more good business decisions than bad is what has kept the AFL healthy.

You really shouldn't bring the AFL up as an example either, because if Cronulla were in the AFL they would have relocated decades ago, and that is one of the NRL's biggest problems; there's no mechanism to replace or remove failing clubs.

I see the Raiders who have been around for 40 years average over this time 11,469. Hardly anything to get carried away with.

Cronulla since 1967 have averaged 10,218.

Per capita the Raiders average attendance is probably 2nd or 3rd best in the league, Cronulla's would be close to the worst.

In other words if we compare the clubs attendance figures by a reasonable standard, i.e. by taking differences in the markets into account, the Raiders are over achievers and (covid aside) steadily growing.

 

[Perth Red]

Bears would be like Cronulla, manly, Penrith. A small suburban club without the fanbase and corporate support to stand on its own two feet without the misery of pokies keeping them relevant,

 

[T-Boon]

Logan Brothers is the largest club from the Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns Confraternity.

DId you just make that up?
Cannot be rugby league words.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Nope, it just shackles the class to learning at the same pace as the slowest kid.

Throwing more money and resources than you can imagine at the grassroots nationwide, having a process to force meaningful change at failing clubs, a plan to grow nationally, and making more good business decisions than bad is what has kept the AFL healthy.

You really shouldn't bring the AFL up as an example either, because if Cronulla were in the AFL they would have relocated decades ago, and that is one of the NRL's biggest problems; there's no mechanism to replace or remove failing clubs.

Per capita the Raiders average attendance is probably 2nd or 3rd best in the league, Cronulla's would be close to the worst.

In other words if we compare the clubs attendance figures by a reasonable standard, i.e. by taking differences in the markets into account, the Raiders are over achievers and (covid aside) steadily growing.

Maybe you should be CEO of the AFL, you seem to know it all.

If Cronulla were in the AFL theyd be drawing bigger crowds.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Per capita the Raiders average attendance is probably 2nd or 3rd best in the league, Cronulla's would be close to the worst.

In other words if we compare the clubs attendance figures by a reasonable standard, i.e. by taking differences in the markets into account, the Raiders are over achievers and (covid aside) steadily growing.

Lol....ok whatever you say......

 

[Pippen94]

Nope, it just shackles the class to learning at the same pace as the slowest kid.

Throwing more money and resources than you can imagine at the grassroots nationwide, having a process to force meaningful change at failing clubs, a plan to grow nationally, and making more good business decisions than bad is what has kept the AFL healthy.

You really shouldn't bring the AFL up as an example either, because if Cronulla were in the AFL they would have relocated decades ago, and that is one of the NRL's biggest problems; there's no mechanism to replace or remove failing clubs.

Per capita the Raiders average attendance is probably 2nd or 3rd best in the league, Cronulla's would be close to the worst.

In other words if we compare the clubs attendance figures by a reasonable standard, i.e. by taking differences in the markets into account, the Raiders are over achievers and (covid aside) steadily growing.

Afl would never put team in Canberra

 

[The Great Dane]

Maybe you should be CEO of the AFL, you seem to know it all.

You don't need to be a CEO to learn about something.

Try reading, it's good for you.

If Cronulla were in the AFL theyd be drawing bigger crowds.

Maybe, but considering they'd be in Sydney and what GWS gets as the secondary team in the market, I doubt they'd do much better as the third...

Lol....ok whatever you say......

It's only reasonable.

Cronulla is in a market of 6mil and Canberra one of 420k + Queanbeyan's 60ishk and a few other small town surrounding the ACT. If you don't at least take that into account then you're not getting a clear picture of what's actually happening, and realistically you should be taking other differences in the markets and clubs into account as well.

 

[The Great Dane]

Afl would never put team in Canberra

If/when the AFL next expand Canberra will almost certainly be one of the next 2-4 clubs, assuming that they don't attempt to go overseas.

It'll honestly have to be because they are running out of markets that could support teams. I mean where's left that are realistic chances of being a success? Not many places is the answer.
Maybe Perth can support a 3rd team. Tasmania if it's heavily subsidised by both the government and league. Then realistically Canberra is their next best option and I'd even argue that commercially it's a better option than Tasmania. After those three I can't see any options that wouldn't be very risky.

BTW, god help RL in the ACT and Southern NSW when it happens.

A Canberra based AFL side would be at least as big, if not bigger than, the Raiders from day one, and on a community level Aussie Rules is already kicking RL's arse in Canberra, so I can't imagine what would happen once the AFL flooded the local grassroots with even more resources.
So yeah, unless there're big changes to how the NRL administer and promote the sport at the grassroots, an AFL club in Canberra would really shake shit up for the sports industry everywhere south of about Goulburn.

 

[LeagueXIII]

You don't need to be a CEO to learn about something.

Try reading, it's good for you.

Maybe, but considering they'd be in Sydney and what GWS gets as the secondary team in the market, I doubt they'd do much better as the third...

It's only reasonable.

Cronulla is in a market of 6mil and Canberra one of 420k + Queanbeyan's 60ishk and a few other small town surrounding the ACT. If you don't at least take that into account then you're not getting a clear picture of what's actually happening, and realistically you should be taking other differences in the markets and clubs into account as well.

Eddie Maguire called it football socialism on the radio and it has been referred to this many times. It is an equalisation fund, the clubs complain however the AFL know it is good for the overall strength of the competition or people will end up in never ending debates on football forums about relocation etc

I'm just passing on his comment. I can get his contact details if you like and you can enlighten him if you like.

Are you an accountant or economist by any chance?

 

[mongoose]

If/when the AFL next expand Canberra will almost certainly be one of the next 2-4 clubs, assuming that they don't attempt to go overseas.

It'll honestly have to be because they are running out of markets that could support teams. I mean where's left that are realistic chances of being a success? Not many places is the answer.
Maybe Perth can support a 3rd team. Tasmania if it's heavily subsidised by both the government and league. Then realistically Canberra is their next best option and I'd even argue that commercially it's a better option than Tasmania. After those three I can't see any options that wouldn't be very risky.

BTW, god help RL in the ACT and Southern NSW when it happens.

A Canberra based AFL side would be at least as big, if not bigger than, the Raiders from day one, and on a community level Aussie Rules is already kicking RL's arse in Canberra, so I can't imagine what would happen once the AFL flooded the local grassroots with even more resources.
So yeah, unless there're big changes to how the NRL administer and promote the sport at the grassroots, an AFL club in Canberra would really shake shit up for the sports industry everywhere south of about Goulburn.

Things must have changed in Canberra since I was last there lol, although that was the 90s. League was strong at grassroots level and dominated the media. Not to say AFL wasn't popular but there was no way it was kicking League's butt. The Raiders were winning premierships back then though...

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

DId you just make that up?
Cannot be rugby league words.

I think their full name was Pastoral Christian Brothers Leprechauns. They're a group consisting of just under 40 junior and senior clubs Queensland and NT, with well over 7,000 registered clubs. The group is known as the Confraternity of Brothers Clubs, the largest and most successful of which is the Logan Brothers club based at Civic Park, Logan Central. Cam Smith was a Logan Brothers junior.


Their mascot is a leprechaun, to represent their Irish heritage.
http://www.brothers.org.au/Seniors/confraternity-info-.html

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

How many registered players and junior/senior clubs are there in the Central Coast?

 

[Perth Red]

Eddie Maguire called it football socialism on the radio and it has been referred to this many times. It is an equalisation fund, the clubs complain however the AFL know it is good for the overall strength of the competition or people will end up in never ending debates on football forums about relocation etc

I'm just passing on his comment. I can get his contact details if you like and you can enlighten him if you like.

Are you an accountant by any chance?

Unlike the nrl which is more like communism where everyone gets the same, even if some grow fat whilst others starve.

 

[T-Boon]

It'll honestly have to be because they are running out of markets that could support teams. I mean where's left that are realistic chances of being a success? Not many places is the answer.
Maybe Perth can support a 3rd team. Tasmania if it's heavily subsidised by both the government and league. Then realistically Canberra is their next best option and I'd even argue that commercially it's a better option than Tasmania. After those three I can't see any options that wouldn't be very risky.

Newcastle.
They would have their eyes on it and be planning long term for Newy.
They probably want GC and GWS to be much stronger before they take on another place with minimum interest. But it would be in the works.

 

[Perth Red]

How many registered players and junior/senior clubs are there in the Central Coast?

according to their website (which needs modernising lol) there are 16 jnr clubs and 11 snr clubs. Getting hold of registered playing numbers in RL is nigh on impossible.

 

[T-Boon]

according to their website (which needs modernising lol) there are 16 jnr clubs and 11 snr clubs. Getting hold of registered playing numbers in RL is nigh on impossible.

If they count touch footy as AFL would there would be 1 million.