Central Coast Bears NRL Bid.

[MugaB]

That’s why I was saying what has happened to the Central Coast is a secondary concern to the North Shore. The real tragedy of the merge and the idiocy that followed it is what happened to RL on the North Shore. The governing body needs to step in and actually do some governing in the region, the 20 years of taking a laissez-faire approach has done nothing but damage. With an actual strategy for the region, it could have been RL capitalising on RU’s demise.

Well realistically the bears cannot return, purely coz the media will have a field day with the whole "too many sydney teams" rhetoric, so unless one of them actually wants to relocate away from sydney the bears ain't coming back, ive been saying lately the roosters are already affiliated with them as a feeder club, that they should properly rename themselves as North Sydney Roosters, not as a merger as such, but merely to take over the catchment, as the bears would never give it up willingly, so adding the name might work, and really what they are doing now suits them both anyways, why not just make it set in stone? which also makes south sydney a great juxtaposition too as they are already hated rivals.
Trouble is roosters have a very small catchment for juniors, and norths are huge, so this would solve a lot of issues, but for norths members being totally 2nd fiddle completely will just be more mergertype baggage. IDK

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The author of this book
https://www.fairplaypublishing.com....wars-the-battle-for-fans-dollars-and-survival

was on the progressive rugby league podcast recently

https://player.whooshkaa.com/the-progressive-rugby-league-podcast?episode=811618

He has studied each sport including the damage the SL War has done to Sydney. His information shows AFL up by 20% and league down by 20% in Sydney and that league has basically lost northern Sydney.

We have lost a huge market that the Tina Turner era attracted due to the war, poor decision making post SLW regarding rationalisation and the constant smashing the game's image took from the media.

RL cannot be very popular in Sydney if fans turn on the game and support AwFuL when a failing team is relegated to the state competition.

Brisbane lost 9 teams in 1987 yet the game is stronger than ever.

I think Sydney would be fine if some strategic decisions were made and the whingers were told to build a bridge and get over it.

Northern Sydney was always an RU stronghold, was it not?

If one game has suffered in northern Sydney it is RU. We have to accept that having 9 teams in Sydney isn't the magic solution to our declining participation rates. That's down to social trends and attitudes towards concussion now that we know how dangerous they are to the brain. We're going to have to accept that fewer people will play the game and adjust so that the amount of clubs falls in line with the supply of players. North Sydney and Manly need to merge their districts so that they can produce a quality competiton that feeds into a sustainable franchise. If that means shutting down both the Bears and Sea Eagles and replacing them with something neutral then so be it.

 

[MugaB]

RL cannot be very popular in Sydney if fans turn on the game and support AwFuL when a failing team is relegated to the state competition.

Brisbane lost 9 teams in 1987 yet the game is stronger than ever.

I think Sydney would be fine if some strategic decisions were made and the whingers were told to build a bridge and get over it.

Northern Sydney was always an RU stronghold, was it not?

If one game has suffered in northern Sydney it is RU. We have to accept that having 9 teams in Sydney isn't the magic solution to our declining participation rates. That's down to social trends and attitudes towards concussion now that we know how dangerous they are to the brain. We're going to have to accept that fewer people will play the game and adjust so that the amount of clubs falls in line with the supply of players. North Sydney and Manly need to merge their districts so that they can produce a quality competiton that feeds into a sustainable franchise. If that means shutting down both the Bears and Sea Eagles and replacing them with something neutral then do be it.

You're an idiot, who lives far far away, wishing on a star for a logan based team, basically praising the broncos for attendance that should be double the amount they have, currently being the only team in town, in a league heartland, that currently still has 6 of those nine teams you spoke of that you lost, so im not sure that brisbane broncos is a great example, if anything there should be atleast 3 brisbane based teams, ipswich and east/dolphins seems to be the bids.
For all the shit you put on the Broncos,
You wish the same on Sydney

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Marlins, stingrays who cares, and no one set the expansion clubs to fail, they did that on their own, i'm glad the NQ cowboys joined SL, it showed balls to covert so quickly, ARL didn't have a chance since most of the bigger inform clubs like canberra, canterbury and broncos went to SL, it was the future, its basically whats happened now under the NRL

Reds had to cover travel and accommodation costs of all Sydney clubs because they were too poor to afford one flight a year to Perth. That's the very definition of being set up to fail and creating a privileged class and serfs. We had Sydney clubs playing in front of 5k fans while the expansion clubs were getting 20k. The ARL then kicks 2 of the expansion clubs out so that they could keep as much dead weight from Sydney. It was madness.

Quayle and Arthurson are to blame for Super League. If the old dickheads had have created a competiton where every club played on the same requirements then no there everyone would have stayee loyal. The teams that were treated like 2nd class citizens jumped at the first opportunity because they were sick of being the main eventers that gave thr league credibility while tiny suburban clubs from Sydney were given all the rewards.

 

[MugaB]

Reds had to cover travel and accommodation costs of all Sydney clubs because they were too poor to afford one flight a year to Perth. That's the very definition of being set up to fail and creating a privileged class and serfs. We had Sydney clubs playing in front of 5k fans while the expansion clubs were getting 20k. The ARL then kicks 2 of the expansion clubs out so that they could keep as much dead weight from Sydney. It was madness.

Quayle and Arthurson are to blame for Super League. If the old dickheads had have created a competiton where every club played on the same requirements then no there everyone would have stayee loyal. The teams that were treated like 2nd class citizens jumped at the first opportunity because they were sick of being the main eventers that gave thr league credibility while tiny suburban clubs from Sydney were given all the rewards.

Yep.... and? They created the competition, they set the rules, i don't agree with them, but thats the arena they wanted to join...
As for 30 years later, we have the same requirements now, under the salary cap, and everyone pays their way, so right now the field is even, and the game is better than ever, and hopefully we'll see expansion become a regular event, if people stop poo pooing other clubs in its expense, who would vote to expand, if it meant the culling of another, no one, and remember its not upto internet trolls like you or me, id say greenburg would gave been mad to even consider it to the ARLC, as they represent the current clubs, and everything needs to go through them

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You're an idiot, who lives far far away, wishing on a star for a logan based team, basically praising the broncos for attendance that should be double the amount they have, currently being the only team in town, in a league heartland, that currently still has 6 of those nine teams you spoke of that you lost, so im not sure that brisbane broncos is a great example, if anything there should be atleast 3 brisbane based teams, ipswich and east/dolphins seems to be the bids.
For all the shit you put on the Broncos,
You wish the same on Sydney

Logan isn't getting a team. It would be great if we had one. A team based south of Brisbane River and taking in Logan, Redlands and south-eastern suburbs of Brisbane would probably be the best route to take, with Wynnum Manly becoming the Redland Seagulls and Souths becoming the Logan Magpies to fill these areas at Queensland Cup level. Easts have already rebranded as Brisbane Tigers. The 3 clubs could feed into the Brisbane Firehawks or maybe rebrand as East Coast Firehawks. It could even use the name Logan Firehawks due to there being so many localities in south-east Brisbane named after Patrick Logan.

You’re going to have to accept that the Roosters aren't going anywhere, but clubs like the Sharks, Dragons, Bulldogs or Sea Eagles might.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yep.... and? They created the competition, they set the rules, i don't agree with them, but thats the arena they wanted to join...
As for 30 years later, we have the same requirements now, under the salary cap, and everyone pays their way, so right now the field is even, and the game is better than ever, and hopefully we'll see expansion become a regular event, if people stop poo pooing other clubs in its expense, who would vote to expand, if it meant the culling of another, no one, and remember its not upto internet trolls like you or me, id say greenburg would gave been mad to even consider it to the ARLC, as they represent the current clubs, and everything needs to go through them

If they hadn't have created an unfair competition that kept the status quo in Sydney then there wouldn't have been a bloody Super League War that set the game back 30 years. The death ot Sydney clubs ie on Quayle, Arthurson and the clubs themselves for trying to live off expansion clubs instead or getting their affairs in order to be sustainable. Instead or blaming everything on Super League, why dont you NSWRL fans take responsibility for the role your state's administratiors played in it?

 

[MugaB]

Logan isn't getting a team. It would be great if we had one. A team based south of Brisbane River and taking in Logan, Redlands and south-eastern suburbs of Brisbane would probably be the best route to take, with Wynnum Manly becoming the Redland Seagulls and Souths becoming the Logan Magpies to fill these areas at Queensland Cup level. Easts have already rebranded as Brisbane Tigers. The 3 clubs could feed into the Brisbane Firehawks or maybe rebrand as East Coast Firehawks. It could even use the name Logan Firehawks due to there being so many localities in south-east Brisbane named after Patrick Logan.

You’re going to have to accept that thr Roosters aren't going anywhere, but clubs like the Sharks, Dragons, Bulldogs or Sea Eagles might.

No one is going anywhere... fullstop!!
I suggest for junior catchment sake of the roosters they should look to find somewhere they can breathe, which is why i bang on about Adelaide, but its for them to choose, not me to demand, unike you playing with clubs like they are toys to smash together as if youve been to any of these places or seen the areas thet represent

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That’s why I was saying what has happened to the Central Coast is a secondary concern to the North Shore. The real tragedy of the merge and the idiocy that followed it is what happened to RL on the North Shore. The governing body needs to step in and actually do some governing in the region, the 20 years of taking a laissez-faire approach has done nothing but damage. With an actual strategy for the region, it could have been RL capitalising on RU’s demise.

When people try to fix the problem, people like you step in to keep the status quo as is because you're unwilling to accept that it's no longer 1986. Manly and North Sydney need to amalgamate for the good of the game. If that means retiring the Bears and Sea Eagles brands and replacing it with something neutral then so be it.

 

[MugaB]

If they hadn't have created an unfair competition that kept the status quo in Sydney then there wouldn't have been a bloody Super League War that set the game back 30 years. The death ot Sydney clubs ie on Quayle, Arthurson and the clubs themselves for trying to live off expansion clubs instead or getting their affairs in order to be sustainable. Instead or blaming everything on Super League, why dont you NSWRL fans take responsibility for the role your state's administratiors played in it?

Your a child, if they hadn't created a unfair comp, really they invited expansion clubs to join it, there was a few that said no, no one put a gun to their heads, they had a comp that everyone watched and wanted in on, they set the rules

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Well realistically the bears cannot return, purely coz the media will have a field day with the whole "too many sydney teams" rhetoric, so unless one of them actually wants to relocate away from sydney the bears ain't coming back, ive been saying lately the roosters are already affiliated with them as a feeder club, that they should properly rename themselves as North Sydney Roosters, not as a merger as such, but merely to take over the catchment, as the bears would never give it up willingly, so adding the name might work, and really what they are doing now suits them both anyways, why not just make it set in stone? which also makes south sydney a great juxtaposition too as they are already hated rivals.
Trouble is roosters have a very small catchment for juniors, and norths are huge, so this would solve a lot of issues, but for norths members being totally 2nd fiddle completely will just be more mergertype baggage. IDK

This is actually a very good idea and would benefit RL. It would eventually lead to the death of the Manly Sea Eagles, which is a good thing for the game's growth.

 

[MugaB]

When people try to fix the problem, people like you step in keep the status quo as is because you're unwilling to accept that it's no longer 1986. Manly and North Sydney need to amalgamate for the good of the game. If that means retiring the Bears and Sea Eagles brands and replacing it with something neutral then so be it.

Yeah and they did that, and it failed, northern eagles, dumb shit! Read a book.. its like merging BRL teams from two hated districts, same effect..
Im going to sleep, your pathetic attempt to justify consoidation screems of salty bitterness over the ARL for all the shit that happened 30 years ago, and now you want to do it to someone else, and think it will be better in the long run..

 

[MugaB]

This is actually a very good idea and would benefit RL. It would eventually lead to the death of the Manly Sea Eagles, which is a good thing for the game's growth.

Fück off

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Your a child, if they hadn't created a unfair comp, really they invited expansion clubs to join it, there was a few that said no, no one put a gun to their heads, they had a comp that everyone watched and wanted in on, they set the rules

Learn from history mate and stop being so bloody short-sighted. When you create an underclass and a privileged class there will end up being a revolt. It's happened since the dawn of time. Sydney RL fans like to sook about it because they have an entitlement complex and think they're above the rules. The only reason the Sydney competition was able to expand was due to NSW Gov allowing gaming machines while Queensland and WA didn't. NSWRL used this advantage to kill their competitors, then became cry bullies when an even bigger bully than them came along and ran them into the ground. Cry me a river.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yeah and they did that, and it failed, northern eagles, dumb shit! Read a book.. its like merging BRL teams from two hated districts, same effect..
Im going to sleep, your pathetic attempt to justify consoidation screems of salty bitterness over the ARL for all the shit that happened 30 years ago, and now you want to do it to someone else, and think it will be better in the long run..

Since when was Northern Eagles a neutral brand?

It used the mascot and colours of Manly and didn't have North Sydney on their name.

Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra Dragons worked because both brands of each amalgamated team were represented.

 

[reanimate]

When people try to fix the problem, people like you step in to keep the status quo as is because you're unwilling to accept that it's no longer 1986. Manly and North Sydney need to amalgamate for the good of the game. If that means retiring the Bears and Sea Eagles brands and replacing it with something neutral then so be it.

Nobody has tried to fix the problem, at least not those in the positions of power who can actually do something effective about it. The NRL has taken a laissez-faire approach for 20 years now. I’m not happy with the status quo, that’s what I’ve been saying the entire time in this thread.

The two districts need to be brought together, but I strongly disagree with the idea of throwing out the brand for a bland neutral brand again. Like it or loath it, Manly is now the club in the north with the existing supporter base that should be built upon. That’s why changing the branding of the club to a St George Illawarra style co-branding to represent both regions is a superior solution to throwing out the Manly brand in its entirety again.

 

[LeagueXIII]

RL cannot be very popular in Sydney if fans turn on the game and support AwFuL when a failing team is relegated to the state competition.

Brisbane lost 9 teams in 1987 yet the game is stronger than ever.

I think Sydney would be fine if some strategic decisions were made and the whingers were told to build a bridge and get over it.

Northern Sydney was always an RU stronghold, was it not?

If one game has suffered in northern Sydney it is RU. We have to accept that having 9 teams in Sydney isn't the magic solution to our declining participation rates. That's down to social trends and attitudes towards concussion now that we know how dangerous they are to the brain. We're going to have to accept that fewer people will play the game and adjust so that the amount of clubs falls in line with the supply of players. North Sydney and Manly need to merge their districts so that they can produce a quality competiton that feeds into a sustainable franchise. If that means shutting down both the Bears and Sea Eagles and replacing them with something neutral then so be it.

Brisbane got stronger because it joined the Sydney comp, most people outside Sydney would have had a team in Sydney that they had an interest in.

Most Brisbane games not at Lang Park would struggle to pull 5,000. Clubs like Souths, Valleys and Brothers were struggling financially.

Forming the Broncos took the game to another level as it did for Canberra, Newcastle, Nth Qld, Illawarra etc. After all most of these leagues voted to join they weren't forced.

RL was huge in Sydney it was the war that weakened it and killed alot of goodwill. If it wasn't so popular Murdoch wouldn't have wanted it.

RU was popular in northern sydney but so was RL now league barely exists there, AFL has a strong presence and union is still around.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nobody has tried to fix the problem, at least not those in the positions of power who can actually do something effective about it. The NRL has taken a laissez-faire approach for 20 years now. I’m not happy with the status quo, that’s what I’ve been saying the entire time in this thread.

The two districts need to be brought together, but I strongly disagree with the idea of throwing out the brand for a bland neutral brand again. Like it or loath it, Manly is now the club in the north with the existing supporter base that should be built upon. That’s why changing the branding of the club to a St George Illawarra style co-branding to represent both regions is a superior solution to throwing out the Manly brand in its entirety again.

I cannot see why North Sydney Sea Eagles cannot be just as successful or more profitable than Manly North Sydney Sea Eagles. I would go as far as to say Sydney Sea Eagles would be a bloody good brand that will have a better chance or attracting big brand sponsors from around the world. Alliteration is good for marketing.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Brisbane got stronger because it joined the Sydney comp, most people outside Sydney would have had a team in Sydney that they had an interest in.

Most Brisbane games not at Lang Park would struggle to pull 5,000. Clubs like Souths, Valleys and Brothers were struggling financially.

Forming the Broncos took the game to another level as it did for Canberra, Newcastle, Nth Qld, Illawarra etc. After all most of these leagues voted to join they weren't forced.

RL was huge in Sydney it was the war that weakened it and killed alot of goodwill. If it wasn't so popular Murdoch wouldn't have wanted it.

RU was popular in northern sydney but so was RL now league barely exists there, AFL has a strong presence and union is still around.

RL took off in Brisbane during the 80s because of Origin, which was based on the generation of great players produced by the BRL.

Crowds for the BRL and NSWRL were shit.

BRL clubs were struggling because they didn't have revenue from electronic gaming machines to fall back on and were being raided by Sydney's clubs. There was a lot of demand for Origin players based in the BRL and clubs bankrupted themselves to keep them from moving to Sydney. The QRL voted against entering a team in the NSWRL in 1987, leading to Quayle having a big sook on TV and labelling us as backwards. They reluctantly agreed to field a team in 1988 because clubs were broke and players were going to go where the money was. Broncos were the last resort to keep players in Brisbane. NSWRL and its clubs used their financial might to kill the BRL, using the poker machine revenue that BRL clubs didn't have access to.

The NSWRL wasn't very popular in Brisbane during the 80s. I was surprised to learn that in the early to mid 80s the games weren't broadcast into Brisbane until really late at night or the early hours of the morning. I learnt that from looking through the TV guide of The Courier Mail when I was at the Queensland State Library researching the Scorpions.

 

[LeagueXIII]

I cannot see why North Sydney Sea Eagles cannot be just as successful or more profitable than Manly North Sydney Sea Eagles. I would go as far as to say Sydney Sea Eagles would be a bloody good brand that will have a better chance or attracting big brand sponsors from around the world. Alliteration is good for marketing.

Maybe on paper or in your mind but in reality no chance.