Central Coast Bears NRL Bid.

[MugaB]

Cowboys have drawn well in Queensland since the mid-00s. They didn't get a chance to rate on Ch9 before the end of 2004 because arrogant wankers from Sydney refused to broadcast them on Ch9. Since they've been broadcast nationally they've become a powerhouse.
The Broncos vs Cowboys game has drawn higher ratings and attendances than any Sydney derby that isn't played on a holiday. Cowboys are still outrating Sydney teams, despite finishing in the bottom 4 of the ladder each year since 2017. Say what you like, we're one of the NRL's most valuable teams. The Cowboys are an example ot why Sydney people shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the decision making process. They're too stupid and narrow-minded to see that the world doesn't begin and end in Sydney.

If Manly isn't watched because it is hated then you've just explained why they should be kicked out!

I know you're passionate about Sydney, but you need to sit back and look at the numbers. The ratings and attendances prove that there isn't enough demand for RL content in Sydney to justify having 9 teams. Without the annual grant it would be even more dire for Sydney's strugglers.

Numbers, ...pfft stop measuring stats
None of it matters, manly aint be going nowhere, and Sydney CAN justify it coz they created the NRL and the ARL before it, hence youre teams existence, not some promoted lower grade NQ stingrays. and which all stemmed from the NSWRL, youre an outsider thinking you can justify NQ as a priority over any sydney team, if anything very lucky to be still involved at 1st grade level after porting or aligning themselves with the SL, very lucky that the ARLC at the time were gutless during the mergers/cullings, could have ended up with the chargers/crushers and cowboys

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Numbers, ...pfft stop measuring stats
None of it matters, manly aint be going nowhere, and Sydney CAN justify it coz they created the NRL and the ARL before it, hence youre teams existence, not some promoted lower grade NQ stingrays. and which all stemmed from the NSWRL, youre an outsider thinking you can justify NQ as a priority over any sydney team, if anything very lucky to be still involved at 1st grade level after porting or aligning themselves with the SL, very lucky that the ARLC at the time were gutless during the mergers/cullings, could have ended up with the chargers/crushers and cowboys

The Cowboys had no choice but to side with Super League because the ARL set them and the other 3 expansion clubs to fail. There's no way they could have survived under the circumstances, with everything set up so that dirt broke Sydney clubs didn't have to generate as much revenue as the expansion clubs to field a team.

Your club also sided with Super League, so what does that say about them?

Maybe Penrith should have been made to merge with Parramatta to form the Parramatta Panthers.

The NSWRL was in a position of power over the BRL because the NSW State Government legalised electronic gaming machines for Leagues clubs back in the 1950s. Queensland prohibited Leagues Clubs from operating electronic gaming machines until the mid-1990s. If it was the other way around then the BRL would have won the war. The NSWRL were always the parasites of Australian RL, using their privileges to rape and pillage every other league. Sydney RL clubs have never endured any injustice and are just big sooks who throw a tantrum whenever they don't get everything their way. Watching Sydney RL fans whinge about Super League is hilarious considering how ruthless the NSWRL was from the 50s through to the late 80s. If it wasn't for NSWRL's arrogance and favouritism then Super League never would have occurred.

The NRL was created by News Ltd and the ARL, with the former holding all the power.

Stingrays? Who the hell are they?

There was a North Queensland Marlins in the Winfield Statewide League, and a Townsville Stingers in the Queensland Cup, but never a Stringrays.

 

[siv]

The Cowboys had no choice but to side with Super League because the ARL set them and the other 3 expansion clubs to fail. There's no way they could have survived under the circumstances, with everything set up so that dirt broke Sydney clubs didn't have to generate as much revenue as the expansion clubs to field a team.

Your club also sided with Super League, so what does that say about them?

Maybe Penrith should have been made to merge with Parramatta to form the Parramatta Panthers.

The NSWRL was in a position of power over the BRL because the NSW State Government legalised electronic gaming machines for Leagues clubs back in the 1950s. Queensland prohibited Leagues Clubs from operating electronic gaming machines until the mid-1990s. If it was the other way around then the BRL would have won the war. The NSWRL were always the parasites of Australian RL, using their privileges to rape and pillage every other league. Sydney RL clubs have never endured any injustice and are just big sooks who throw a tantrum whenever they don't get everything their way. Watching Sydney RL fans whinge about Super League is hilarious considering how ruthless the NSWRL was from the 50s through to the late 80s. If it wasn't for NSWRL's arrogance and favouritism then Super League never would have occurred.

The NRL was created by News Ltd and the ARL, with the former holding all the power.

Stingrays? Who the hell are they?

There was a North Queensland Marlins in the Winfield Statewide League, and a Townsville Stingers in the Queensland Cup, but never a Stringrays.

What you highlight is why a 2 pool scenario will be the best for the game

18 team comp 25 rounds

9 team Sydney pool
9 team Regional pool

Pool team teams play home & away in 1 year
Cross pool team play play home & away over 2 years

8 team finals

NRL to support this by brining in a travel allowance

All NRL must field their RG team in a National RG played as pre game with NYC and only 15 min between games

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

What you highlight is why a 2 pool scenario will be the best for the game

18 team comp 25 rounds

9 team Sydney pool
9 team Regional pool

Pool team teams play home & away in 1 year
Cross pool team play play home & away over 2 years

8 team finals

NRL to support this by brining in a travel allowance

All NRL must field their RG team in a National RG played as pre game with NYC and only 15 min between games

I'm not keen on a national reserve grade. I'd like to see the NSW Cup become a more statewide competition with the North Coast, South Coast and western NSW better represented. That'll help bush footy and give the game a leg-up over our competitors.

What if Sydney's Super League teams were forced to relocate as punishment for siding with Murdoch?

Adelaide Sharks
Canterbury Bulldogs (Christchurch)
West Coast Panthers (Perth)

 

[MugaB]

I'm not keen on a national reserve grade. I'd like to see thr NSW Cup become a more statewide competiton with the North Coast, South Coast and western NSW better represented. That'll help bush footy and give the game a leg-up over our competitors.

What if Sydney's Super League teams were forced to relocate as punishment for siding with Murdoch?

Adelaide Sharks
Canterbury Bulldogs (Christchurch)
West Coast Panthers (Perth)

Add Byron Bay Broncos and
Northern Territory Cowboys then
It shouldn't be restricted to sydney only, as your prejudice is seething thru

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Add Byron Bay Broncos and
Northern Territory Cowboys then
It shouldn't be restricted to sydney only, as your prejudice is seething thru

The NRL isn't going to put teams in regions unable to support a team.

 

[Perth Red]

NRL to support this by brining in a travel allowance

nrl already pay all travel and accomodation costs of the nrl clubs.

 

[siv]

nrl already pay all travel and accomodation costs of the nrl clubs.

Then there is no issue for a Regional pool structure

 

[Diesel]

If you’re going Sydney conference and regional conference then there is no need for Sydney to hold the GF every year

 

[Perth Red]

Then there is no issue for a Regional pool structure

only fairness, non Sydney teams would end up travelling a lot more which could have a big impact in both recruitment and end of season fatigue when it came to play offs. Also media coverage, fta and media would just likely focus on the Sydney division.

 

[Perth Red]

Back to north Sydney. Article in AFL’s March into the region:


According to AFL NSW/ACT, participation in Sydney’s north and around the city has rocketed by nearly 200 per cent over the last decade. Sport Australia’s AusPlay data shows that, between 2016 and 2019, adult AFL participation in NSW (71,325 in 2019) overtook rugby (52,999).

In 2012, the Waratahs matched the Swans for average crowds sitting in the mid-20,000 range. After a steady decline since, the Waratahs’ average crowd is almost one-third the size (31,069 vs 13,176 in 2019).


The north shore and eastern suburbs have emerged as footy strongholds, and GPS schools which once pumped out Wallabies are now putting up AFL goalposts to satisfy surging student demand. In 2013 there were only six independent schools in Sydney with AFL programs. Now there are 14, with 62 boys teams.

The academies have helped accelerate a process that was already underway. There are myriad factors involved: the Swans’ ability to contend for finals almost every year, the addition of the GWS Giants in 2012. A cohesive governance and management model, where junior clubs and state bodies know their place in the pecking order. The raging success of AusKick, and growing concerns amongst parents about concussion in the rugby codes. All of these have combined to boost Aussie rules at every level in NSW.


https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ening-at-rugby-s-expense-20210416-p57jtz.html

 

[siv]

only fairness, non Sydney teams would end up travelling a lot more which could have a big impact in both recruitment and end of season fatigue when it came to play offs. Also media coverage, fta and media would just likely focus on the Sydney division.

Hogwash

Everyone thinks Canberra v Gold Coast deserves to be match of the round and play each other twice

Sam goes for the Qld derbies which include Melbourne

Or games like Melbourne Canberra and Warriors

Brisbane 2 will just add to it and reduce the amount of regional travel

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If you’re going Sydney conference and regional conference then there is no need for Sydney to hold the GF every year

Bring it to Lang Park every 2nd year.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Back to north Sydney. Article in AFL’s March into the region:


According to AFL NSW/ACT, participation in Sydney’s north and around the city has rocketed by nearly 200 per cent over the last decade. Sport Australia’s AusPlay data shows that, between 2016 and 2019, adult AFL participation in NSW (71,325 in 2019) overtook rugby (52,999).

In 2012, the Waratahs matched the Swans for average crowds sitting in the mid-20,000 range. After a steady decline since, the Waratahs’ average crowd is almost one-third the size (31,069 vs 13,176 in 2019).


The north shore and eastern suburbs have emerged as footy strongholds, and GPS schools which once pumped out Wallabies are now putting up AFL goalposts to satisfy surging student demand. In 2013 there were only six independent schools in Sydney with AFL programs. Now there are 14, with 62 boys teams.

The academies have helped accelerate a process that was already underway. There are myriad factors involved: the Swans’ ability to contend for finals almost every year, the addition of the GWS Giants in 2012. A cohesive governance and management model, where junior clubs and state bodies know their place in the pecking order. The raging success of AusKick, and growing concerns amongst parents about concussion in the rugby codes. All of these have combined to boost Aussie rules at every level in NSW.


https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ening-at-rugby-s-expense-20210416-p57jtz.html

LOL@onionball

 

[Perth Red]

Bring it to Lang Park every 2nd year.

sell it to the highest bidders and use the money to grow the game!

 

[LeagueXIII]

The NRL isn't going to put teams in regions unable to support a team.

like adelaide

 

[LeagueXIII]

The NRL and 9 have trained people not to watch clubs like the raiders or knights. I don't remember there being this big of a gap in ratings between teams back in the 90s. Over time we have more and more pushed clubs like the raiders off FTA and naturally that leads to less interest in those clubs.

Have a look at what happens to sport like rugby and soccer with less FTA exposure. The same thing has happened to certain NRL clubs.

Back in the 90's RL had a massive feel good factor and was considered the "in/trendy" game, however over the last 20 years due to reasons we know the game has suffered alot of damage and alot of that audience has left league to follow other sports.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Back to north Sydney. Article in AFL’s March into the region:


According to AFL NSW/ACT, participation in Sydney’s north and around the city has rocketed by nearly 200 per cent over the last decade. Sport Australia’s AusPlay data shows that, between 2016 and 2019, adult AFL participation in NSW (71,325 in 2019) overtook rugby (52,999).

In 2012, the Waratahs matched the Swans for average crowds sitting in the mid-20,000 range. After a steady decline since, the Waratahs’ average crowd is almost one-third the size (31,069 vs 13,176 in 2019).


The north shore and eastern suburbs have emerged as footy strongholds, and GPS schools which once pumped out Wallabies are now putting up AFL goalposts to satisfy surging student demand. In 2013 there were only six independent schools in Sydney with AFL programs. Now there are 14, with 62 boys teams.

The academies have helped accelerate a process that was already underway. There are myriad factors involved: the Swans’ ability to contend for finals almost every year, the addition of the GWS Giants in 2012. A cohesive governance and management model, where junior clubs and state bodies know their place in the pecking order. The raging success of AusKick, and growing concerns amongst parents about concussion in the rugby codes. All of these have combined to boost Aussie rules at every level in NSW.


https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ening-at-rugby-s-expense-20210416-p57jtz.html

The author of this book
https://www.fairplaypublishing.com....wars-the-battle-for-fans-dollars-and-survival

was on the progressive rugby league podcast recently

https://player.whooshkaa.com/the-progressive-rugby-league-podcast?episode=811618

He has studied each sport including the damage the SL War has done to Sydney. His information shows AFL up by 20% and league down by 20% in Sydney and that league has basically lost northern Sydney.

We have lost a huge market that the Tina Turner era attracted due to the war, poor decision making post SLW regarding rationalisation and the constant smashing the game's image took from the media.

 

[MugaB]

The Cowboys had no choice but to side with Super League because the ARL set them and the other 3 expansion clubs to fail. There's no way they could have survived under the circumstances, with everything set up so that dirt broke Sydney clubs didn't have to generate as much revenue as the expansion clubs to field a team.

Your club also sided with Super League, so what does that say about them?

Maybe Penrith should have been made to merge with Parramatta to form the Parramatta Panthers.

The NSWRL was in a position of power over the BRL because the NSW State Government legalised electronic gaming machines for Leagues clubs back in the 1950s. Queensland prohibited Leagues Clubs from operating electronic gaming machines until the mid-1990s. If it was the other way around then the BRL would have won the war. The NSWRL were always the parasites of Australian RL, using their privileges to rape and pillage every other league. Sydney RL clubs have never endured any injustice and are just big sooks who throw a tantrum whenever they don't get everything their way. Watching Sydney RL fans whinge about Super League is hilarious considering how ruthless the NSWRL was from the 50s through to the late 80s. If it wasn't for NSWRL's arrogance and favouritism then Super League never would have occurred.

The NRL was created by News Ltd and the ARL, with the former holding all the power.

Stingrays? Who the hell are they?

There was a North Queensland Marlins in the Winfield Statewide League, and a Townsville Stingers in the Queensland Cup, but never a Stringrays.

Marlins, stingrays who cares, and no one set the expansion clubs to fail, they did that on their own, i'm glad the NQ cowboys joined SL, it showed balls to covert so quickly, ARL didn't have a chance since most of the bigger inform clubs like canberra, canterbury and broncos went to SL, it was the future, its basically whats happened now under the NRL

 

[reanimate]

Back to north Sydney. Article in AFL’s March into the region:


According to AFL NSW/ACT, participation in Sydney’s north and around the city has rocketed by nearly 200 per cent over the last decade. Sport Australia’s AusPlay data shows that, between 2016 and 2019, adult AFL participation in NSW (71,325 in 2019) overtook rugby (52,999).

In 2012, the Waratahs matched the Swans for average crowds sitting in the mid-20,000 range. After a steady decline since, the Waratahs’ average crowd is almost one-third the size (31,069 vs 13,176 in 2019).


The north shore and eastern suburbs have emerged as footy strongholds, and GPS schools which once pumped out Wallabies are now putting up AFL goalposts to satisfy surging student demand. In 2013 there were only six independent schools in Sydney with AFL programs. Now there are 14, with 62 boys teams.

The academies have helped accelerate a process that was already underway. There are myriad factors involved: the Swans’ ability to contend for finals almost every year, the addition of the GWS Giants in 2012. A cohesive governance and management model, where junior clubs and state bodies know their place in the pecking order. The raging success of AusKick, and growing concerns amongst parents about concussion in the rugby codes. All of these have combined to boost Aussie rules at every level in NSW.


https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ening-at-rugby-s-expense-20210416-p57jtz.html

That’s why I was saying what has happened to the Central Coast is a secondary concern to the North Shore. The real tragedy of the merge and the idiocy that followed it is what happened to RL on the North Shore. The governing body needs to step in and actually do some governing in the region, the 20 years of taking a laissez-faire approach has done nothing but damage. With an actual strategy for the region, it could have been RL capitalising on RU’s demise.