Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

[BDGS]

Alot of the same old lines but IMO the reasons we don’t need a team on the Central Coast are far and wide.

1. Too many in teams in NSW
2. Most sponsors, the big ones – the ones with the cash the sport needs, don’t care if a club is in Bankstown, Penrith or the Central Coast, they sponsor for NATIONAL exposure – that is a big part of the reasons why they wanted the league known as the “National Rugby League” – to be more appealing to sponsors.
3. The Illawarra Steelers couldn’t survive with a locally based major Interational company and a huge junior league with excellent history of players (past and present) who have been among the elite of the game – The Central Coast has no major industry and has two or three average players trotting around at the moment and that is about it.
4. The game does not have enough players for a 17th team, a team would need to re-locate.
5. If a team is to re-locate the NRL would be crazy – repeat crazy - not to go interstate. Don’t be surprised if a big part of the negotiations of the new media deal involves the NRL having to make a commitment to sending teams interstate.
6. What is the Raiders biggest problem – attracting players to live in Canberra. Who (under the age of 65) wants to live on the Central Coast unless they grew up there?
Fortunately with the new Commission any “promises” made by the NRL hierarchy in the past are pretty much null and void now I would imagine so the Central Coast bid team will have to start the kissing up process again (as would the other bidders) with the new commission I would imagine.

Answers
1. Are there too many NSW teams already?
Not if there is a region of sufficient size that can demonstrate that it can add more value to the game by its admission than by its exclusion. The Central Coast team, if private equity can be sourced, will not be a drain on any other club finances and the companies wanting to associate with the Bears will provide bargaining power for the NRL in future TV dealmaking, benefitting all existing clubs.
The sponsors are being attracted to the Bears from outside the game, not diverted from an existing club to a new club.
The Central Coast is ready to go now. A new TV deal comes into effect in 2013. An extra game will enhance the TV revenue deal attainable if another bid team is also deemed ready to enter in 2013.
Financial pressures on NSW clubs will ease with savings achieved through the creation of an Independent Commission, increased TV rights deals plus reduced State poker machine taxes in the event of a State Coalition victory in March.
The stars will never align better for a Central Coast expansion.

2. That is why we need to bring in the WA Reds, Central Coast has shown they are able of getting sponsors without taking away from other teams sponsors. Bring in Central Coast and WA and this is not a problem.

3. The Central Coast/North Sydney have a lot of juniors playing in the NRL atm, and a few of them have already made or are in the sight of rep teams. About the area, i agree that the area can not hold a NRL team alone and that is why the Bears branding (colours, history, corporate support) is so vital to this bid otherwise the Central Coast would have an NRL bid without the Bears but there is not one of those for obvious reasons.

4. Just look at how many former NRL players are playing in super league, french league, french union, Australian Union, English Union and so worth, there is well over 100 players and about 50 of them could still play competitive in the NRL today. Another two teams (team 17 and team 18) will help the NRL keep its stars from all these threats plus the new fumble ball threat.

5. The NRL can not force any teams to be relocated, the NRL has also turned off the idea of relocation and mergers. Why? well just ask Gallop and he will tell you that the NRL would rather create new teams from the ground up, which then they will be able to create a new identity for the team and not just plot Sydney or NSW logic and histories into new areas like the mistakes of other football codes in this country.

6. I grew up in Belmore, live in western Sydney, i would love to live on the Central Coast and would accept a house there tomorrow. Also a majority of the NRL players go to the Central Coast for local holidays with their families.

The IC will take over from the NRL but will continue the NRL work, the NRL will employ people that will continue their work and start work in new areas, not people who are going to rip apart (based on poor logic like some posters on this site) their current work. Also who is going to be the head of the IC? Mr Gallop, he gets a lot more say then a lot of you know, but he also gets to hide behind the board or in the future the IC.

 

[Beowulf]

No.

Newcastle and Manly already in that area of 1.5mil.

About 4mil in the rest of Sydney - 6.5 teams.

the teams-per-person ratio is quite similar - and that isn't taking into account that Newcastle's catchment is so geographically big.

Lets get the facts right please. Central Coast + northern Sydney + manly-Warringah peninusla + Newcastle/Hunter region = well over 2 million.

Population stats, although they favour a CC admission, are really not as important as:
can an area sustain a profitable organisation?

It comes down to merchandise, TV viewers, sponsors, memberships and home/away crowds. And that = Bears.

 

[Beowulf]

My apologies if i am mis-reading, but are you suggesting the Central Coast is "rugby league heartland"?

3rd largest junior numbers in NSW behind Penrith and Newcastle. Case closed.

 

[Beowulf]

but they represent North Sydney, remember.

except when they claim to be a "regional team", and they don't.

depends on whether they have taken their meds, it seems.

Come on Macavity, you know the deal. Its a regional team (CC is officially a NSWRL regional area) utilising a northern Sydney heritage to reconnect with fans and attract sponsors.

 

[BDGS]

To previous poster claiming Newcastle and Manly are currently working in the Central Coast.

Newcastle and Manly are not in the area that is known to man kind as the "Central Coast", Manly have nothing to do with the Central Coast and the Newcastle Knights have nothing to with the Centurions except in the NSW Cup.

 

[skeepe]

Come on Macavity, you know the deal. Its a regional team (CC is officially a NSWRL regional area) utilising a northern Sydney heritage to reconnect with fans and attract sponsors.

Silly me, I thought we were talking about the Central Coast Bears. Turns out this thread is about the Central Coast-North Sydney Bears.

 

[macavity]

Silly me, I thought we were talking about the Central Coast Bears. Turns out this thread is about the Central Coast-North Sydney Bears.

No, its the Central Coast-North Sydney-Hills District Bears.

Remember the argument that we have to put a team at Gosford because AFL is getting popular in Pennant Hills?

 

[Red Bear]

but they represent North Sydney, remember.

except when they claim to be a "regional team", and they don't.

depends on whether they have taken their meds, it seems.

We initially moved because we could be classified as a regional team, when things went tits up, partly because the f**king rain delayed our stadium, it was the NRL who turned around and said no you're a Sydney team in a nice little backstab Brutus would be proud of.

As it is the Central Coast Bears will represent the former territory of the North Sydney Bears and the Central Coast region, predominantly playing out of the CC (with one game at North Sydney/year) accessing the large junior base of the central coast whilst also reuniting the various rugby league club from the lower and upper north shore with a first grade rugby league side. Seems like a pretty good idea to be honest.

 

[BDGS]

As it is the Central Coast Bears will represent the former territory of the North Sydney Bears and the Central Coast region, predominantly playing out of the CC (with one game at North Sydney/year) accessing the large junior base of the central coast whilst also reuniting the various rugby league club from the lower and upper north shore with a first grade rugby league side. Seems like a pretty good idea to be honest.

Yes, it is also supported by the NRL as well.

 

[Timmah]

A couple have already torn you a new one about this post but let me join.

Alot of the same old lines but IMO the reasons we don’t need a team on the Central Coast are far and wide.

1. Too many in teams in NSW

Garbage. There's too many teams in Sydney, no doubt about that. There's not a team in a rugby league stronghold like the Central Coast and there needs to be one. For every possible risk (Perth) we need to assert our dominance in popular areas, the Coast being one.

2. Most sponsors, the big ones – the ones with the cash the sport needs, don’t care if a club is in Bankstown, Penrith or the Central Coast, they sponsor for NATIONAL exposure – that is a big part of the reasons why they wanted the league known as the “National Rugby League” – to be more appealing to sponsors.

That has no relevance and makes no sense to the Bears bid. The Bears already have plenty of corporate backing anyway so this won't be an issue for them.

3. The Illawarra Steelers couldn’t survive with a locally based major Interational company and a huge junior league with excellent history of players (past and present) who have been among the elite of the game – The Central Coast has no major industry and has two or three average players trotting around at the moment and that is about it.

:lol: Not even valueing this rubbish with a response. Check the club website and learn some facts.

4. The game does not have enough players for a 17th team, a team would need to re-locate.

That's a decision the NRL has to make.

5. If a team is to re-locate the NRL would be crazy – repeat crazy - not to go interstate. Don’t be surprised if a big part of the negotiations of the new media deal involves the NRL having to make a commitment to sending teams interstate.

Why? Dots on a map? I understand that we need to spread the word about rugby league and venture into new markets but we also need to consolidate our strengths. The CC Bears is a big part of that.

6. What is the Raiders biggest problem – attracting players to live in Canberra. Who (under the age of 65) wants to live on the Central Coast unless they grew up there?

Snore.... yet more stereotypical garbage.

Fortunately with the new Commission any “promises” made by the NRL hierarchy in the past are pretty much null and void now I would imagine so the Central Coast bid team will have to start the kissing up process again (as would the other bidders) with the new commission I would imagine.

You do realise a great chunk of the new commission involves the appointment of some of the same faces running the game at present?

My apologies if i am mis-reading, but are you suggesting the Central Coast is "rugby league heartland"?

If you think it isn't you're delusional. When you compare average crowds at Bluetongue for RL matches vs Mariners A-League games, the figures speak for themselves.

No.

Newcastle and Manly already in that area of 1.5mil.

About 4mil in the rest of Sydney - 6.5 teams.

the teams-per-person ratio is quite similar - and that isn't taking into account that Newcastle's catchment is so geographically big.

Funny how you're the one writing angry letters to the bid team then using population statistics that suit you when making other claims.

Newcastle's area doesn't and should not take in any of the 1.5million claimed by the CC Bears bid team. Newcastle has the entire Hunter region - right up to Scone, Muswellbrook, hell even up the New England and North Coast. The Bears have the Central Coast and Sydney's North Shore - currently a thriving Union haven since the Bears absence in 2000, and AFL haven around Hornsby & Hills.

No, its the Central Coast-North Sydney-Hills District Bears.

Remember the argument that we have to put a team at Gosford because AFL is getting popular in Pennant Hills?

If Parramatta aren't getting off their backsides and doing something, then why the hell shouldn't the Bears do something?

 

[Beowulf]

No, its the Central Coast-North Sydney-Hills District Bears.

Remember the argument that we have to put a team at Gosford because AFL is getting popular in Pennant Hills?

Correct - thanks for bringing it up. The junior teams there are all part of the NSDRL comp, wearing Bear logos on their shirts from young kids upwards. An NRL Bear team just 30 min up the freeway would give them a natural pathway to advancement and to being noticed, plus access to free clinics, school visits etc by their NRL team to ensure more kids stay with League than will happen when the GWS Giants start knocking on school doors offering free footys and tickets etc.

 

[adamkungl]

There aren't too many teams in Sydney. This is a myth put out by wankers and QLDers.

There is the right amount of teams. Every team is growing. Every team has their own distinct area of a few hundred thousand people (even Easts and Souths, though there is some overlap), and more fans all over the place. None are being strangled out of existence. Even Cronulla's problems aren't due to "too many teams", it's due to their own incompetence.

 

[BDGS]

There aren't too many teams in Sydney. This is a myth put out by wankers and QLDers.

There is the right amount of teams. Every team is growing. Every team has their own distinct area of a few hundred thousand people (even Easts and Souths, though there is some overlap), and more fans all over the place. None are being strangled out of existence. Even Cronulla's problems aren't due to "too many teams", it's due to their own incompetence.

Alright if that is what you think you are entitled to your opinion. Now would you please explain how any of that has any effect on regional NSW?

 

[adamkungl]

Alright if that is what you think you are entitled to your opinion. Now would you please explain how any of that has any effect on regional NSW?

No effect on regional NSW. It's entirely irrelevant. The CC is not Sydney.

 

[BDGS]

No effect on regional NSW. It's entirely irrelevant. The CC is not Sydney.

I agree.

 

[Perth Red]

how can it be a thriving RU area with no Super15 team?

 

[BDGS]

how can it be a thriving RU area with no Super15 team?

Sydney Grade Union is big in North Sydney.

I think Sydney grade is one off the Super 15's, aka reserve grade.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

71 days until the Central Coast Bears submit their bid. Go the Bears!

 

[Timmah]

how can it be a thriving RU area with no Super15 team?

Heard of the Waratahs?

I'll bet you between the Eastern Suburbs and North Shore/Northern Beaches, you've got most of their fanbase covered.

 

[Perth Red]

oh I'm sorry I thought the theory was that unless you had a team playing in your backyard you would lose fans to another code?