Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

I understood it, and i laughed at how stupid it was.

so are you going to reply to my post in a mature way or bury your head in the sand like, the bears suporters do and keep sprouting the line that the central coast and the north shore want the bears back when my figures show that just over one per cent have signed up as members on the coast and less than that on the north shor

as i said, adam mentioned the broncos and i replied to that whether you think my comments are stupid or not. the fact remains, that the broncos are already n the NRL and have to prove nothing, whereas the bears have to prove that people from the central coast and the north shore want them back as i said my figures disprove that

 

[BDGS]

so are you going to reply to my post in a mature way or bury your head in the sand like, the bears suporters do and keep sprouting the line that the central coast and the north shore want the bears back when my figures show that just over one per cent have signed up as members on the coast and less than that on the north shor

as i said, adam mentioned the broncos and i replied to that whether you think my comments are stupid or not. the fact remains, that the broncos are already n the NRL and have to prove nothing, whereas the bears have to prove that people from the central coast and the north shore want them back as i said my figures disprove that

Any NRL bid should be held to a criteria that the NRL teams will meet, obviously the Central Coast Bears will be held to a higher criteria that most NRL teams would fail too and probably a higher criteria then other bid but to say there the support for a team up there is not how they say it is, is very stupid.

Go to the area and you will see what i mean.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

so are you going to reply to my post in a mature way or bury your head in the sand like, the bears suporters do and keep sprouting the line that the central coast and the north shore want the bears back when my figures show that just over one per cent have signed up as members on the coast and less than that on the north shor

as i said, adam mentioned the broncos and i replied to that whether you think my comments are stupid or not. the fact remains, that the broncos are already n the NRL and have to prove nothing, whereas the bears have to prove that people from the central coast and the north shore want them back as i said my figures disprove that

Your figures are irrelevant because your sole purpose in here is to undermine the Central Coast Bears bid and you will ignore anything that proves otherwise. The locals of the Central Coast and the Bear diehards understand the achievements. They understand that there's alot more work to be done. But considering an area with no team can muster up this amount of support for a bid is very good.

 

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

fair comments fellas....but dont you think that a catchment area of 1 million people who, to use your words want a team in the NRL would have more members than you have considering you are hitting target membership areas every week

 

[derp]

People on the CC want a team but what they don't want is failed North Sydney Bears. Call them anything other than the bears and they might have a chance.

 

[BDGS]

fair comments fellas....but dont you think that a catchment area of 1 million people who, to use your words want a team in the NRL would have more members than you have considering you are hitting target membership areas every week

Not really, you don't get much for your membership. Just a few goodies, apart from that the Bears can not offer entry to games and other things current NRL teams are.

I think that is holding some people back, but i expect the membership numbers to double once they get into the NRL.

 

[Billythekid]

fair comments fellas....but dont you think that a catchment area of 1 million people who, to use your words want a team in the NRL would have more members than you have considering you are hitting target membership areas every week

Look how much trouble areas who actually do have NRL teams have with signing up members. Kind of hard to get people to be members of your club when it doesn't exist.

I think the fact that close to 6000 people are willing to put in some money for a membership before the team is even in the NRL is a positive thing.

Just out of interest how many members should they have at this point? How many do rival bids have?

People on the CC want a team but what they don't want is failed North Sydney Bears. Call them anything other than the bears and they might have a chance.

Derp. Bet you have never been to the CC and almost certainly don't live there.

That is not the impression i got from my time there.

 

[derp]

Look how much trouble areas who actually do have NRL teams have with signing up members. Kind of hard to get people to be members of your club when it doesn't exist.

I think the fact that close to 6000 people are willing to put in some money for a membership before the team is even in the NRL is a positive thing.

Just out of interest how many members should they have at this point? How many do rival bids have?



Derp. Bet you have never been to the CC and almost certainly don't live there.

That is not the impression i got from my time there.

I live at Wyee

 

[BDGS]

Look how much trouble areas who actually do have NRL teams have with signing up members. Kind of hard to get people to be members of your club when it doesn't exist.

I think the fact that close to 6000 people are willing to put in some money for a membership before the team is even in the NRL is a positive thing.

Just out of interest how many members should they have at this point? How many do rival bids have?

Central Coast Bears - 5,605
WA Reds - 600*
Ipswich - 0
Central Queensland - 0
Brisbane2 - 0

WA's real push for members will come throughout this year.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

People on the CC want a team but what they don't want is failed North Sydney Bears. Call them anything other than the bears and they might have a chance.

Actually they would have little chance without being the Bears. Because the Bears have playing rights for Bluetongue Stadium for another decade. They also provide the bid with more financial clout with the north shore connection and therefore have more financial stability. The Bears also initiated the bid and have done a great job connecting to the community through engagement. Membership drives, presence at events and charity work all on the CC.

If you're concerned about the bid please go to www.centralcoastbears.com.au where you can find an abundance of information regarding the bid.

 

[derp]

Actually they would have little chance without being the Bears. Because the Bears have playing rights for Bluetongue Stadium for another decade. They also provide the bid with more financial clout with the north shore connection and therefore have more financial stability. The Bears also initiated the bid and have done a great job connecting to the community through engagement. Membership drives, presence at events and charity work all on the CC.

If you're concerned about the bid please go to www.centralcoastbears.com.au where you can find an abundance of information regarding the bid.

whats the point of having the rights to a stadium when you don't even have a team? And the facts are the majority of people on the CC don't want the Bears, We want our own identity.

 

[Beowulf]

People on the CC want a team but what they don't want is failed North Sydney Bears. Call them anything other than the bears and they might have a chance.

Mate, you're about 1 year behind on forums and newspaper articles if you aren't aware of why it has to be the Bears or nothing for the Central Coast.

Private ownership in full or part is the only way forward. An NRL team needs 15mill/year, growing every year. To achieve that you either need a multi-millionaire backer/syndicate, or a plethora of wealthy corporate support, or ideally both. The Central Coast Bears have both.

A Central Coast 'United' fails because:
1) There is insufficient corporates on the Coast to provide sponsorship
2) No 'white knight' has come forward for a stand alone bid in the 30 years since the Bears first mooted a move north - only John Singleton, who tried with the Bears 7 years ago and supports this bid in public and via Bluetongue sponsorship
3) David Gallop wants the Central Coast to reconnect with the north shore. 300,000 supporters on the Coast alone don't anywhere meet a criteria for entry as there is little room for revenue expansion for the NRL on the Coast alone - it needs to reconnect with league fans amongst the 750,000 on the north shore who have no team (only the Bears can do that).

Don't forget the Central Coast has historical links with the Bears much like (and perhaps stronger than) St George with Illawarra. Central Coast was part of the Bears catchment from 1908 till the late 1940's and the Central Coast rep colours till well into the 1980's were red and black.

Its a logical tie up like the Dragons-Steelers, and the only chance for both communities to get a team. This is the last chance, and its our best bid. So if you want to see a game at Bluetongue every second week, get behind it even if you're not a Bears fan, because the Central Coast community via tourism and jobs will benefit hugely.

 

[Highway1]

People on the CC want a team but what they don't want is failed North Sydney Bears. Call them anything other than the bears and they might have a chance.

If the Central Coast don't have the Bears then they don't get an NRL license, simple as that.

As the Bears are the part owner of Graeme park, any non-Bears CC RL team that has full-time tenency at Graeme Park will have a hard time financially and can possibly be terminal.

I'm pretty unsure if they'll be a significant number of Central Coast residents who want a team other than the bears, not after the fantastic membership drive that the bears have conducted.

In terms how popular a non-Bears team will be, I'm not sure; but in terms of the financial implications, it'll be pretty hard for any non-bears CC RL that has full-time tenancy at Graeme Park.

 

[Beowulf]

whats the point of having the rights to a stadium when you don't even have a team? And the facts are the majority of people on the CC don't want the Bears, We want our own identity.

One of the advantages of helping fund/build a stadium is that you have rights in return for the risk. The Bears fell to that risk, but the playing rights is an insurance policy to ensure no other team gets to base there without the apporval of the Bears. The seats spell out BEARS.

As for identity, there will be none, other than a NSW Cup feeder for Newcastle and a raping ground for Manly for ever if the CC Bears fail. The CCDRL and the CRL both support the Central Coast Bears bid, so the RL community on the Coast supports, businesses support & politicians support.

I'm sensing some Gen Y pathos here - give me a team, but I'm not prepared to work for it. Sounds very much like 1 or 2 bids already out there!

Sooooo start your own bid, get 50 friends to volunteer weekends/weekdays, seduce a multi-millionaire and a few CEO's, convince another half million people to move to the Coast in March and you've got a chance - but you've only got 2 months to do all that.

Because if the NRL think the Central Coast is not worthy this time, QLD teams and NZ teams will be on the agenda for 2018/9, and that will probably be the end of expansion for 20 years.

 

[Highway1]

One of the advantages of helping fund/build a stadium is that you have rights in return for the risk. The Bears fell to that risk, but the playing rights is an insurance policy to ensure no other team gets to base there without the apporval of the Bears. The seats spell out BEARS.

As for identity, there will be none, other than a NSW Cup feeder for Newcastle and a raping ground for Manly for ever if the CC Bears fail. The CCDRL and the CRL both support the Central Coast Bears bid, so the RL community on the Coast supports, businesses support & politicians support.

I'm sensing some Gen Y pathos here - give me a team, but I'm not prepared to work for it. Sounds very much like 1 or 2 bids already out there!

Sooooo start your own bid, get 50 friends to volunteer weekends/weekdays, seduce a multi-millionaire and a few CEO's, convince another half million people to move to the Coast in March and you've got a chance - but you've only got 2 months to do all that.

Because if the NRL think the Central Coast is not worthy this time, QLD teams and NZ teams will be on the agenda for 2018/9, and that will probably be the end of expansion for 20 years.

That's a good point there, if a non-bears Central Coast RL franchise has full-time tenancy at Graeme Park, there will be huge possibility that the bears use its ownership of the ground to de-stabilise that potential franchise. Hope, it never comes to that point though.

And besides, it's evident now that the Bears are widely accepted into the Central Coast community just like wests in Campbelltown. I see no reason for a stand alone CC team.

Go Bears!, Broncos first thought

 

[adamkungl]

so are you going to reply to my post in a mature way or bury your head in the sand like, the bears suporters do and keep sprouting the line that the central coast and the north shore want the bears back when my figures show that just over one per cent have signed up as members on the coast and less than that on the north shor

as i said, adam mentioned the broncos and i replied to that whether you think my comments are stupid or not. the fact remains, that the broncos are already n the NRL and have to prove nothing, whereas the bears have to prove that people from the central coast and the north shore want them back as i said my figures disprove that

In reply to that...you believe we should be holding potential bids to a higher standard the the most successful club in the NRL?

 

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

Not really, you don't get much for your membership. Just a few goodies, apart from that the Bears can not offer entry to games and other things current NRL teams are.

I think that is holding some people back, but i expect the membership numbers to double once they get into the NRL.

fair comments....but if people wanted the bears back as much as the supporters here say, would`nt you sign up, even if they gave you nothing and there is not a team to support, just to show your support, considering they are trying to get into the NRL.......as i keep saying imo the figures that i gave shows that there is not as much support as RBB, beowulf and the skateboard kid thinks there is, considering they also target key areas for membership drives every week

 

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

In reply to that...you believe we should be holding potential bids to a higher standard the the most successful club in the NRL?

probably not, you bought the broncos into the debate, my point is that the broncos are already in the comp as are 15 other teams they have to prove nothing

the bears do, if they want in, their supporters here keep saying that they have the central coast and the north shore wanting the bears on the central coast, whereas the figures i supplied do not show this, if you also take into account the membership drives every week, in target areas, they should have a lot more people wanting to join up to show their support

 

[adamkungl]

probably not, you bought the broncos into the debate, my point is that the broncos are already in the comp as are 15 other teams they have to prove nothing

the bears do, if they want in, their supporters here keep saying that they have the central coast and the north shore wanting the bears on the central coast, whereas the figures i supplied do not show this, if you also take into account the membership drives every week, in target areas, they should have a lot more people wanting to join up to show their support

Agree to disagree then. based on the membership numbers of other NRL clubs whom they are hoping to compete with, I think they are doing exceptionally well considering they don't actually have a team.

 

[hillbillyjazzer1954]

Agree to disagree then. based on the membership numbers of other NRL clubs whom they are hoping to compete with, I think they are doing exceptionally well considering they don't actually have a team.

no worries adam....done :thumn:thumn