Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

[Mike_Jets]

There is not too many teams in Sydney, there are too few!:crazy:

Now , wait. An expanded NRL and two leagues below - NRC and NRC1.

This would allow a much needed real 2nd and 3rd grades and all teams/areas to be represented.

 

[BDGS]

TBF its not like any clubs are doing financially great. I guess you would need to compare Sydney clubs gainst non Sydney clubs financially to see if an over saturation in NSW is impacting on clubs income compared to one region teams. You would also need to have an understanding of attendance income v's corporate support and if the majority of corporate support is small local businesses with an affinity to a particular club or large companies who are most interested in being linked to NRL. You then have to throw into the pot the "value to the competition" component ie would having less Sydney teams mean less TV viewers/ media investment or interest from NRL sponsors Not an easy way of getting any reliable outcome result I would suggest.

I'd be happy to see grants go up, min criteria set and whack up the salary cap. Strongest will survive.

I can't talk for other Sydney Clubs, but the Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs are financially sound (without giving out too much info) and are the best run club in Sydney (all sporting codes etc). They have done it basically in the last 5 years or so and a big thanks for Mr. Greenberg's contribution to that.

Greenberg is now a god at Canterbury.

 

[BDGS]

True but the fact is Sydney is still a part of NSW. Like it or not the large number of teams in NSW will be large factor in the decision of which teams get admitted. It really is the only think going against the CC bid imo. They are head and shoulders above anyone else, this is the only potenial issue.

says who?

 

[Red&BlackBear]

If the business model is sound and the bid is financially viable then location should not be a problem unless of course the population isn't sufficient enough. While the fact is that there's other clubs in NSW already established, the Central Coast Bears are bidding to establish themselves on the Central Coast. A large area which is unrepresented in the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

If the business model is sound and the bid is financially viable .

but if there are 3 or 4 bids who all meet this criteria the issue of location and TV value will be deciding factors.

 

[BDGS]

but if there are 3 or 4 bids who all meet this criteria the issue of location and TV value will be deciding factors.

But the fact is, there are only two bids that currently meet the criteria.

 

[Garts]

says who?

Common sense. You can stick your head in the sand but the fact is it will be a major factor considered in the awarding of the successful bid. However, how much weighting is given to location I have nfi. The TV deal is up for renewal as we all know, the location of teams and potential tv audiences will have a large impact on how much the game can get from this deal. As a result the NRL will consider the impact of having a team on the CC compared to say Qld etc.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

but if there are 3 or 4 bids who all meet this criteria the issue of location and TV value will be deciding factors.

TV value will be a factor regardless. However if a bid doesn't engage their community/region, why expect a sudden surge in TV numbers? You need a core foundation of fans to actually go to the games and/or watch them on TV. It's not as simple as build it and they will come. If that were the case then every expansion team thats ever come in would be a success.

Are we aiming for 3 years high revenue, 15 years low revenue if an untried team struggles on the field and off the field? The Central Coast Bears have the fan base to go to games and watch games on TV. Plus the structure will provide the NRL and TV companies with a steady flow of added revenue for the next -xx- years. The self sustainable factor is also immensely important.

It's an interesting time in the games chapter.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

ONLY 44 DAYS TO GO UNTIL THE CENTRAL COAST BEARS BID GOES TO THE NRL!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/centralcoastbears

 

[BDGS]

Common sense.

In other words, "nobody but you". Ok thanks.

 

[Garts]

In other words, "nobody but you". Ok thanks.

Do you really think the NRL will not seriously consider the location of the proposed bids and what brings the code the most value?

 

[Mike_Jets]

I didnt think there was an official criteria yet?
I am told an announcement will be coming after the first few months of the season (around origin time), bids will then be official and we will be told the NRLs criteria.
I have no idea what or how many teams will be involved or timeframes but I have discussed with a few people and the general feeling is (again only a feeling but based on a few things we do know about other clubs and what is going on behind the scenes):
2 teams in 2013 and 2 in 2015
Bids considered will be CQLD, 2 from Brisbane, CC, Wellington, WA and SA.
The first 2 teams will have a team in the NSW cup or QLD cup next season, with no feeder status, the remaining teams will join one of these leagues and the final 2 teams will be selected in 2014 based on attendance, record, etc.

Then again it could all be cr*p from a few board members that have had a schooner or two too many;-)

 

[Red&BlackBear]

All the Central Coast Bears can keep doing is signing on new members, shoring up more sponsors and staying active in the community. The corporate support has expressed their interest and in some cases signed on, but there's still more left to achieve before the bid is handed in. The hard work and determination will continue well after the bid has been handed in.

More community and sponsorship announcements to be revealed in the coming weeks.

 

[BDGS]

I didnt think there was an official criteria yet?
I am told an announcement will be coming after the first few months of the season (around origin time), bids will then be official and we will be told the NRLs criteria.
I have no idea what or how many teams will be involved or timeframes but I have discussed with a few people and the general feeling is (again only a feeling but based on a few things we do know about other clubs and what is going on behind the scenes):
2 teams in 2013 and 2 in 2015
Bids considered will be CQLD, 2 from Brisbane, CC, Wellington, WA and SA.
The first 2 teams will have a team in the NSW cup or QLD cup next season, with no feeder status, the remaining teams will join one of these leagues and the final 2 teams will be selected in 2014 based on attendance, record, etc.

Name names? haha Only joking, unlike some posters on this forum i know that is not always the case.

From what i have highlighted,

I think this is very good news for the all bid teams.

I would have:
2013 - WA Reds and CC Bears
2015 - Norths/Redcliffe and CQLD.

worse case scenario:
2013 - Brisbane 2 and another QLD bid
2015 - WA Reds and CC Bears

Another possible that i would me happy with
2013 - WA Reds and Norths/Redcliffe
2015 - Brisbane2 and CC Bears


of course, assuming that is all true.

 

[Spitty]

Central Coast is in a similar position to what Penrith were in, back in 1967. A growing population of diehard RL fans. The population growth is mostly due to relocation from Sydney area's and most people living in the area already support a RL team.

What we've found at Penrith was that despite everyone in Penrith's interest in having a top grade side, many of the relocated Sydney siders have never supported the team. There are families here that were born an bred in the area, but because their grand father came out from Kogorah in 1960 the whole family still support the Dragons or other whatever other Sydney club. We've found that those generational loyalties die hard. We've still got families who support Parramatta because before the Panthers were in, the local team was Parramatta. That loyalty has crossed generations. I'm not saying that this will definately happen on the Central Coast, but it's definately something to think about.

 

[BDGS]

Do you really think the NRL will not seriously consider the location of the proposed bids and what brings the code the most value?

As long as bid meets the criteria, it does not matter wether they come from WA, the Central Coast, Timbuktu or New York. imo.

As long as they show their areas wants it, and their bid meets the criteria. They deserve to be in the NRL.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Central Coast is in a similar position to what Penrith were in, back in 1967. A growing population of diehard RL fans. The population growth is mostly due to relocation from Sydney area's and most people living in the area already support a RL team.

What we've found at Penrith was that despite everyone in Penrith's interest in having a top grade side, many of the relocated Sydney siders have never supported the team. There are families here that were born an bred in the area, but because their grand father came out from Kogorah in 1960 the whole family still support the Dragons or other whatever other Sydney club. We've found that those generational loyalties die hard. We've still got families who support Parramatta because before the Panthers were in, the local team was Parramatta. That loyalty has crossed generations. I'm not saying that this will definately happen on the Central Coast, but it's definately something to think about.

The bid has an established fan base in form of the Bears brand. Not only that but the Bears fans are a generational group. The Central Coast can only add to this support hub. This is why the bid is so attractive because it's essentially 2 different support hubs becoming one big, growing one. It's definitely exciting.

You have to take it into account that unlike Penrith Panthers, they didn't have a brand which stretches to the very foundation of Rugby League in Australia.

 

[Garts]

As long as bid meets the criteria, it does not matter wether they come from WA, the Central Coast, Timbuktu or New York. imo.

As long as they show their areas wants it, and their bid meets the criteria. They deserve to be in the NRL.

Don't get me wrong the Bears are the standout candidate by far. And if I had to put money on a successful side getting in it would be on the Bears. All I am saying is the location will be considered and if the NRL is seriously focused on expanding beyond NSW this is the only downside to the Bears.

 

[Beowulf]

Central Coast is in a similar position to what Penrith were in, back in 1967. A growing population of diehard RL fans. The population growth is mostly due to relocation from Sydney area's and most people living in the area already support a RL team.

What we've found at Penrith was that despite everyone in Penrith's interest in having a top grade side, many of the relocated Sydney siders have never supported the team. There are families here that were born an bred in the area, but because their grand father came out from Kogorah in 1960 the whole family still support the Dragons or other whatever other Sydney club. We've found that those generational loyalties die hard. We've still got families who support Parramatta because before the Panthers were in, the local team was Parramatta. That loyalty has crossed generations. I'm not saying that this will definately happen on the Central Coast, but it's definately something to think about.

Valid points, and that's why the NRL wanted the Bears to prove they could get the Coast onboard via financial memberships - we all know they'll attend NRL games at Bluetongue, but would they support the Bears bid? Of the nearly 5700 memberships, nearly 4000 are from the Coast - 70%. The NRL as has been stated previously are delighted with the bids progress.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Don't get me wrong the Bears are the standout candidate by far. And if I had to put money on a successful side getting in it would be on the Bears. All I am saying is the location will be considered and if the NRL is seriously focused on expanding beyond NSW this is the only downside to the Bears.

I don't believe it's an issue with the NRL as David Gallop has encouraged the Central Coast Bears and has said many positives things about our bid over the past 18 months. None of which mention or touch on location being problematic. The only issue he has stressed is about having the financial model completely worked out, which it has and the NRL is fully aware of the on going progression within the Central Coast Bears bid.

There has been nothing but encouraging signs in regards to our bid from the parties which matter. For that I am very positive that the Central Coast Bears have an extremely compelling case for NRL entry in 2013.