Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

[adamkungl]

oh look, one of LU's worst ever posters has made his glorious return...

 

[Red&BlackBear]

RnBBear, if the CC is knocked back again this time round, will the bid team still continue for expansion later down the track?

There is definitely a sense around the bid team that the Central Coast Bears bid is going to be as attractive and lucrative as possible with as many incentives to provide the NRL, neighbouring teams and the game in general by accepting our bid into the NRL.

I think at the end of the day the amount of work, resources and effort spent on the CC by the Bears, has made the Bears very much a CC entity, commodity and brand. If for some reason we dont succeed, I see no reason as to why the Bears would abandon the CC. The Bears brand already built infrastucture on the CC, they have a wave of community support including many CC based members and also alot of political backing in the CC especially with the Center of Excellence proposal.

I think the Bears will fight for the CC 'til our last fan drops dead. We are a passionate bunch and the Central Coast Bears just make sense. Corporate support is there and so is fan support. Everything is in place to deliver the best possible bid with no stone left unturned.

 

[Perth Red]

I hope if not succesful they stick with their operations on the the CC, run a NSW cup team out of Gosford and keep engaged with the jnr clubs in that region. Alternatively find a location the NRL want to move to and shift your efforts to there, as long as the NRL give a guarantee of next entry.

 

[clarency]

I think it's a shame that the bid that is going to miss out this round (no matter who it is) stands to run it's operations far more efficiently than a few of the existing NRL teams.

I hope the IC have the intelligence to see this and the balls to do something about it.

 

[clarency]

la la la la

 

[cozemail]

great to see some dedicated Bears supporters adorn the King Wally statue at Suncorp Stadium at the Brisbane NRL Bid Launch.

I dream of the day the Bears are welcomed back into the NRL, but my biggest fear is a vibe I get from the NRL that they are humouring the Bear's bid but have their favourites in mind.........remember the Gold Coast Dolphins/Titans bid......they didn't even have a stadium, but were told to come back in a year with a stadium and voila.

Whilst nationwide expansion is a great end aim, I think the NRL need to shore up the traditional areas where there is a fan base but not enough teams-I don't see the point in an Adelaide or Perth Reds team unless exisiting teams wish to relocate.

So if the decision were left to me, I would be looking at

Central Coast
Sunshine Coast/Northern Brisbane
Central Queensland

 

[Billythekid]

Just as a preface to this. I want to see the CC in the NRL but there is no need to try and insult other bids.

I dream of the day the Bears are welcomed back into the NRL, but my biggest fear is a vibe I get from the NRL that they are humouring the Bear's bid but have their favourites in mind.........remember the Gold Coast Dolphins/Titans bid......they didn't even have a stadium, but were told to come back in a year with a stadium and voila.

That was a damn good decision. Now we have a fantastic stadium on the GC as well as one of the more successful clubs in the NRL.

It also allows us to have a presence to stop the AFL just waltzing into the market.

People constantly trot this out like the NRL just admitted the GC because of some sort of bias. They did it because it was a much better move for the NRL.

Whilst nationwide expansion is a great end aim, I think the NRL need to shore up the traditional areas where there is a fan base but not enough teams-I don't see the point in an Adelaide or Perth Reds team unless exisiting teams wish to relocate.

Well there is a fan base in Perth and having 0 teams there isn't enough to cover them.

Perth is a massive market that is growing rapidly and there is huge potential for sponsership there. It also has the potential to increase our tv deal due to having a more national exposure (just look how much extra the AFL have gotten despite the lions and swans poor ratings).

Opening the game up to a new market also allows our clubs to command bigger sponserships. This is why AFL clubs get so much, because companies want to show their product nationally.

We need to have a presence in Perth. Once there the only major population centre we wont have a presence in is Adelaide. This will put us ahead of all other codes in Australia.

 

[Beowulf]

great to see some dedicated Bears supporters adorn the King Wally statue at Suncorp Stadium at the Brisbane NRL Bid Launch.

I dream of the day the Bears are welcomed back into the NRL, but my biggest fear is a vibe I get from the NRL that they are humouring the Bear's bid but have their favourites in mind.........remember the Gold Coast Dolphins/Titans bid......they didn't even have a stadium, but were told to come back in a year with a stadium and voila.

Don't worry, the Bears are clear favourites for expansion with the people whose living revolves around getting it right - the bookies. Those close to the CC bid and the bookies know whats going on, and its all good news for the Bears. Keep signing up memberships, that's all we have to do from here as all our boxes have been ticked.

 

[BDGS]

f**king hell... who dug this prick up?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[BDGS]

That was a damn good decision. Now we have a fantastic stadium on the GC as well as one of the more successful clubs in the NRL.

It also allows us to have a presence to stop the AFL just waltzing into the market.

People constantly trot this out like the NRL just admitted the GC because of some sort of bias. They did it because it was a much better move for the NRL.

I agree with everything said here, and every point you made here is equally as important to the Bears this time around.

Well there is a fan base in Perth and having 0 teams there isn't enough to cover them.

Perth is a massive market that is growing rapidly and there is huge potential for sponsership there. It also has the potential to increase our tv deal due to having a more national exposure (just look how much extra the AFL have gotten despite the lions and swans poor ratings).

Opening the game up to a new market also allows our clubs to command bigger sponserships. This is why AFL clubs get so much, because companies want to show their product nationally.

We need to have a presence in Perth. Once there the only major population centre we wont have a presence in is Adelaide. This will put us ahead of all other codes in Australia.

Agree.

 

[KiamaSaint]

I think it's a shame that the bid that is going to miss out this round (no matter who it is) stands to run it's operations far more efficiently than a few of the existing NRL teams.

I hope the IC have the intelligence to see this and the balls to do something about it.

I totally agree. I think Perth, CC & another Queensland side all make sense while the geographical landscape in Sydney is a total mess. I also hope the IC grab control of the game and do something about that.

 

[Goddo]

Just as a preface to this. I want to see the CC in the NRL but there is no need to try and insult other bids.

(Gold Coast) was a damn good decision. Now we have a fantastic stadium on the GC as well as one of the more successful clubs in the NRL.

It also allows us to have a presence to stop the AFL just waltzing into the market.

People constantly trot this out like the NRL just admitted the GC because of some sort of bias. They did it because it was a much better move for the NRL.

Well there is a fan base in Perth and having 0 teams there isn't enough to cover them.

Perth is a massive market that is growing rapidly and there is huge potential for sponsership there. It also has the potential to increase our tv deal due to having a more national exposure (just look how much extra the AFL have gotten despite the lions and swans poor ratings).

Opening the game up to a new market also allows our clubs to command bigger sponserships. This is why AFL clubs get so much, because companies want to show their product nationally.

We need to have a presence in Perth. Once there the only major population centre we wont have a presence in is Adelaide. This will put us ahead of all other codes in Australia.

Good post.

Although it would be nice to have the Bears in, and a Central Coast-North Sydney side makes a lot of sense in terms of a rational, logical distribution of clubs across NSW/Sydney (much like St George Illawarra), the NRL will not expand again if it doesn't add to the overall value and financial security of the current clubs.

Put simply, there are too many sides in Sydney, some of which are financially insecure. Many of these clubs struggle to get sponsors, free to air television exposure, fans, members, et cetera.

Why would the NRL expand in the Central Coast, a location which doesn't help with TV rights, doesn't help with free to air exposure for the game, marginally helps with fans, and stretches the corporate dollar further (remember one of the main reasons for the Bears trying to associate with North Sydney is to tap into that business district)?

Especially when there are interstate bids which will boost the game in all the major areas:

- Perth improves Oztam TV ratings and rights, TV broadcast slots, provides Local content in WA, taps into the WA/Perth advertising market, helps grow the games fan base and membership by accessing new markets, provides competition with rival sports.

- Brisbane II improves Oztam TV ratings and rights, TV broadcast slots, provides Local Queensland content, derbies in Queensland, taps into the Brisbane (our third biggest city) advertising market which is neglected by having only one side, helps grow the games fan base and membership by providing competition for our product in a market where we only have a small share given the strength of our code there.

I could write similar reasons to support a bid in Adelaide, Christchurch or Wellington, but those areas aren't ready for an NRL side just yet. However, Brisbane and Perth are ready, and can't be overlooked in favour of a satisfactory, yet short sighted bid on the Central Coast.

I am hoping Manly relocate to the Sunshine Coast, or Cronulla fold to allow the Bears back in, but otherwise, it simply shouldn't happen in the face of satisfactory bids in better locations.

 

[Goddo]

I totally agree. I think Perth, CC & another Queensland side all make sense while the geographical landscape in Sydney is a total mess. I also hope the IC grab control of the game and do something about that.

But if there is some form of rationalisation/ organisation of the Sydney football landscape, the Central Coast-North Sydney region, and the Bears bid, should be part of that.

But thats not what expansion is about. Expansion is about growing the game, tapping into under-represented or undeveloped markets which have large growth potential for the game.

I love Rugby League, and although I'd like to see the Bears back in the comp, it would be unreasonable to expect the IC to choose the CC bid over Perth or a second Brisbane bid.

 

[BDGS]

Good post.

Although it would be nice to have the Bears in, and a Central Coast-North Sydney side makes a lot of sense in terms of a rational, logical distribution of clubs across NSW/Sydney (much like St George Illawarra), the NRL will not expand again if it doesn't add to the overall value and financial security of the current clubs.

Put simply, there are too many sides in Sydney, some of which are financially insecure. Many of these clubs struggle to get sponsors, free to air television exposure, fans, members, et cetera.

Why would the NRL expand in the Central Coast, a location which doesn't help with TV rights, doesn't help with free to air exposure for the game, marginally helps with fans, and stretches the corporate dollar further (remember one of the main reasons for the Bears trying to associate with North Sydney is to tap into that business district)?

Especially when there are interstate bids which will boost the game in all the major areas:

- Perth improves Oztam TV ratings and rights, TV broadcast slots, provides Local content in WA, taps into the WA/Perth advertising market, helps grow the games fan base and membership by accessing new markets, provides competition with rival sports.

- Brisbane II improves Oztam TV ratings and rights, TV broadcast slots, provides Local Queensland content, derbies in Queensland, taps into the Brisbane (our third biggest city) advertising market which is neglected by having only one side, helps grow the games fan base and membership by providing competition for our product in a market where we only have a small share given the strength of our code there.

I could write similar reasons to support a bid in Adelaide, Christchurch or Wellington, but those areas aren't ready for an NRL side just yet. However, Brisbane and Perth are ready, and can't be overlooked in favour of a satisfactory, yet short sighted bid on the Central Coast.

I am hoping Manly relocate to the Sunshine Coast, or Cronulla fold to allow the Bears back in, but otherwise, it simply shouldn't happen in the face of satisfactory bids in better locations.

I quoted you to point out once again where you have gone wrong, but this post of yours is nothing that you haven't posted before. It wouldn't surprised me if you just copied and pasted this from previous post instead of having to rewrite it all again. The problems you continually keep bringing up have already be answered. I'm not gonna waste my time and re-answer them. I'll leave that for one of the Bear fans.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

f**king hell... who dug this prick up?

Must be an official Public Holiday for RentBoys - so Pubes has a bit of time to kill.

 

[Version 6]

For all the talk of rationalisation of teams in Sydney, who could you realistically get rid of without putting a significant dent in the games support base in Sydney?

The Bulldogs, Parramatta and the Tigers (and to a lesser extent, the Dragons) are in somewhat of a cluster, but can we afford to see these great brands disolved or diluted?

Cronulla could die and be virtually forgotten within a generation. They are easily absorbed to the North and South by the Dragons.

Other than Cronulla, who could we realistically cull without some kind of impact? Clubs like Parra, Bulldogs, Tigers and Saints aren't just teams. They are institutions. And they are a family tradition passed on from one generation to the next.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

If we were to cull Sydney teams, it would need to be done very strategically. All clubs have their ups and downs for many different reasons.

Souths because of a new owner
Saints because of recent success (I think the brand of the RedV is a big factor too. Very Iconic)
Parra and Canterbury because of new management combined with on field success.
Wests have a unique brand of footy, they market themselves well as a family club and spread to a wide range of people in a vast area.

At the moment, those clubs are on a high and there is nothing to suggest that Penrith or Cronulla or Manly cant find new management or a new owner or have great success. It would be unfair to cull clubs now when every team has been at the low, and to be honest NO club in Sydney is going backwards, all are improving.

No if we are to have less Sydney teams it HAS to be because the club has wilfully done it, either relocate or relegate.

If its forced, people will rebel and we will have another Souths or Bears situation, if its natural it will be accepted, like Newtown.

No team in Sydney deserves or needs to be dropped.

 

[BDGS]

For all the talk of rationalisation of teams in Sydney, who could you realistically get rid of without putting a significant dent in the games support base in Sydney?

The Bulldogs, Parramatta and the Tigers (and to a lesser extent, the Dragons) are in somewhat of a cluster, but can we afford to see these great brands disolved or diluted?

Cronulla could die and be virtually forgotten within a generation. They are easily absorbed to the North and South by the Dragons.

Other than Cronulla, who could we realistically cull without some kind of impact? Clubs like Parra, Bulldogs, Tigers and Saints aren't just teams. They are institutions. And they are a family tradition passed on from one generation to the next.

If we were to cull Sydney teams, it would need to be done very strategically. All clubs have their ups and downs for many different reasons.

Souths because of a new owner
Saints because of recent success (I think the brand of the RedV is a big factor too. Very Iconic)
Parra and Canterbury because of new management combined with on field success.
Wests have a unique brand of footy, they market themselves well as a family club and spread to a wide range of people in a vast area.

At the moment, those clubs are on a high and there is nothing to suggest that Penrith or Cronulla or Manly cant find new management or a new owner or have great success. It would be unfair to cull clubs now when every team has been at the low, and to be honest NO club in Sydney is going backwards, all are improving.

No if we are to have less Sydney teams it HAS to be because the club has wilfully done it, either relocate or relegate.

If its forced, people will rebel and we will have another Souths or Bears situation, if its natural it will be accepted, like Newtown.

No team in Sydney deserves or needs to be dropped.

Agree with all of this.

 

[clarency]

Thinking that it doesn't need to happen is short sighted. This new expansion brings the comp to 18 teams. 18-20 IMO is the ideal/most viable number of teams, meaning that there would be only 2 spots at most for additional teams.

Potential locations for future teams (short to long-term) are the current bid failure, Adelaide, New Zealand, Darwin, Tasmania, Central Queensland, PNG, Melbourne.

You can't take the comp to it's full potential with so many positions wasted on the one area. Teams in Sydney will need to go for it become truly successful.

Right now. Sharks & Manly.

 

[flippikat]

For all the talk of rationalisation of teams in Sydney, who could you realistically get rid of without putting a significant dent in the games support base in Sydney?

The Bulldogs, Parramatta and the Tigers (and to a lesser extent, the Dragons) are in somewhat of a cluster, but can we afford to see these great brands disolved or diluted?

Cronulla could die and be virtually forgotten within a generation. They are easily absorbed to the North and South by the Dragons.

Other than Cronulla, who could we realistically cull without some kind of impact? Clubs like Parra, Bulldogs, Tigers and Saints aren't just teams. They are institutions. And they are a family tradition passed on from one generation to the next.

Lets see.. The only 3 Sydney teams that might need to merge or relocate are Panthers, Sharks & Roosters.

Drawing a long bow perhaps, but if any of these 3 teams supporter base falls far behind the growth of Bulldogs, Rabbitohs, Dragons etc they may find it tough to survive "as is"

Penrith has an adventage, because they have a natural joint-venture partner in Parramatta - their only real neighbour - Sure, it depends on Parramatta's willingness - but the resulting club would be HUGE

The Sharks & Roosters, on the other-hand have a number of clubs around them that are getting stronger and stronger. Some have built very strong brands on their own, others have already merged and become more powerful than the sum of their parts ...