Channel 9 wants to kill of a sydney club

[TheRam]

I did the club's revenue as a point of reference to see what it takes to run a club in respective league and potential for making money.

The important one to your question is the overall league 668M vs 500M revenue numbers, compounded over years, as to where the additional investment fund comes from to fund growth.

Where did you get those figures from?

 

[abc]

Where did you get those figures from?

The respective 2018 financial reports;
NRL: https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/documents/nrl-gen19_6501-2018-annual-report-hr.pdf
AFL: https://indd.adobe.com/view/29e884e9-3cd6-4d38-b840-2b7335822220

 

[Travitoh]

I don't think any NFL teams need to relocate they are all doing well unlike most Sydney NRL teams.
If you were going to move a team to Texas it would probably be to San Antonio which doesn't have an NFL team or a FBS college team or a baseball team.
Edit: actually San Antonio does have a FBS college team UTSA which is not a power 5 conference team. They play in front of an average 25k crowd.

The question isn't about moving a team to Queensland/Texas, it's about moving a team to Brisbane/Dallas.

 

[T-Boon]

The question isn't about moving a team to Queensland/Texas, it's about moving a team to Brisbane/Dallas.

Well I don't understand the point of the question. Dallas is a stupid place to move a team to because the strongest brand in world sport is already playing there and there is a way better option down the road at San Antonio. Dallas has perfect representation in the NFL. Brisbane doesn't. It is massively under represented.
Add to that I am not even advocating moving a Sydney team to Brisbane since that would be doomed. I advocate moving Sydney teams to places like Perth, Wellington, Wollongong. Maybe the Sunshine Coast.

 

[Travitoh]

Well I don't understand the point of the question. Dallas is a stupid place to move a team to because the strongest brand in world sport is already playing there and there is a way better option down the road at San Antonio. Dallas has perfect representation in the NFL. Brisbane doesn't. It is massively under represented.
Add to that I am not even advocating moving a Sydney team to Brisbane since that would be doomed. I advocate moving Sydney teams to places like Perth, Wellington, Wollongong. Maybe the Sunshine Coast.

Then the NFL analogy doesn't apply when the discussion is about moving a Sydney club to Brisbane.
Forced relocation won't succeed imo as the club itself wouldn't be entirely on board with the move. They'd half arse it and the game would suffer in an area that is trying to be grown.

 

[Diesel]

I have to question the need for a second Brisbane team? It's uniformly acknowledged that realistically there are too many teams in Sydney, and that the Broncos benefit from being the only team in the city - so why do the NRL need to water this down? How much extra revenue will be generated by putting in a competing team in the same city when they'd play at the same home ground?

I have no problem with Queensland expansion, but it needs to be in regions that are large enough to support a team and are not currently represented by a team. Gold Coast is great in theory, but in major sports it really struggles. I'm not one for saying they have to be relocated, but if they can't survive there - that's a separate issue.

I take it you’re not from Brisbane. More people dislike the Broncos here than actually like them.

 

[siv]

It's uniformly acknowledged that realistically there are too many teams in Sydney

I have to disagree with this statement

Sydney could easily accommodate the return of the Bears. And we continue to see the growth of the Mounties.

Culling clubs, Cheating and peptides has had more impact on corporate dollars

Citibank was a classic example of a company that abandoned RL due to negative press

 

[Perth Red]

I have to disagree with this statement

Sydney could easily accommodate the return of the Bears. And we continue to see the growth of the Mounties.

Culling clubs, Cheating and peptides has had more impact on corporate dollars

Citibank was a classic example of a company that abandoned RL due to negative press

Some people are just small thinkers

 

[siv]

Then the NFL analogy doesn't apply when the discussion is about moving a Sydney club to Brisbane.
Forced relocation won't succeed imo as the club itself wouldn't be entirely on board with the move. They'd half arse it and the game would suffer in an area that is trying to be grown.

You could only relocate a club to new market areas like Easts to Adelaide or Cronulla to Perth

Brisbane is better suited to promotion of existing brands e.g. Redcliffe, Ipswich or Easts

 

[Perth Red]

You could only relocate a club to new market areas like Easts to Adelaide or Cronulla to Perth

Brisbane is better suited to promotion of existing brands e.g. Redcliffe, Ipswich or Easts

Wouldn't the old BRL rivalries stop fans of other BRL clubs supporting the promoted NRL BRL club?

 

[siv]

Some people are just small thinkers

Nah just don't believe in culling clubs

Better strategy is to slowly grow the # of clubs to get to a situation where clubs play each other once over 21 or 23 rounds

Just remember the hype we had in 1994 and early 1995

 

[siv]

Wouldn't the old BRL rivalries stop fans of other BRL clubs supporting the promoted NRL BRL club?

Brisbane used to play a 4 way rep season

Brisbane, Toowoomba, Ipswich and Gold Coast

 

[VictoryFC]

It's as I feared. Gotta be the Titans that get screwed, nobody cares about them right? And cause toothless fans from a club that's not even in the frame today marched for them decades ago so that MUST mean Cronulla and Manly have these super secretive "silent fans" hiding away somewhere ready to hit the pavement at a moments notice.

Kent is spot on. Sydney teams must not be touched, especially when they represent unique areas of the metropolitan area.

On another note people that bring up Melbourne forget that

a) Melbourne still has 10 auskick teams (incl Geelong) even after relocations

b) All Melbourne based teams are located within 10kms of the CBD. They all represent inner-city suburbs, and not unique regions. Coupled with good transport links and centralised stadiums, you could drop several auskick teams tomorrow and very little would change. You're not leaving any geographic holes because they're all competing for the same fans anyway. All roads lead to the CBD stadiums, and those stadiums are very accessible for just about anyone in the city, even those 30-50kms out.

You get rid of Manly or Cronulla or Wests, you're creating black holes all across Sydney, especially when location of stadiums and transport means that NRL clubs are highly localised.

Either way, seems like the NRL doesn't want to expand. That would be my preference, but reading between the lines it does look like someone is being lined up to get axed or relocated.

The only thing that makes sense in that case would be to move the Titans to Brisbane. Not a fan of the Redcliffe idea floating about. Make it a 2nd team playing out of Suncorp, whether it's the Bombers or whatever.

 

[Frailty]

Cause Suncorp stadium should have a game of footy every weekend. It will give the stadium more day games as well.

Why? For who? Those who run Suncorp Stadium would make more money, but is there a realistic demand for twice the amount of games.

I guess I ask this from a very basic supply/demand. Will people be likely to go twice as much due to more games, or are they more likely to attend the same amounts just spread over more games? I would suggest the majority would be the latter.

I take it you’re not from Brisbane. More people dislike the Broncos here than actually like them.

I'm absolutely aware of this - but don't those supporters already follow other teams? Will they actually support the team or will they turn up in the short term because it's anti-broncos?

For example, in the short history of the Crushers - their average crowds when from 21,029 in 1995, to 13,016 in 1996 to 7,003 in 1997 (that drop off was significantly impacted by Super League and the loss of the Broncos derby).

 

[JokerEel]

In 1995 we had 20 teams running on a $4million dollar TV deal..

Now in 2019 we have an NRL competition that can expand with a billion dollar TV deal...

 

[firechild]

For what its worth I know former Bears fans that now support Melbourne and Penrith

Us Manly fans always knew Bears fans were scum.

 

[AJB1102]

I listened to it while I was dozing off so I'm a bit vague for a bullet point, but he also floated the benefits of going to 12 men a game, or even 11! Apparently Wok Ryan perceived 20 years that rugby league defences would become too strong in the future and that the game would have to reduce the amount of players to accommodate them. Or something like that. It was all very much in your field of interest, you should check it out.

It was pretty interesting and I agree it'd be right up @T-Boon 's alley. Gus even touched on the cycle of rules changing to encourage attack and coaches eventually figuring out how to contain that.

 

[The Great Dane]

I'm absolutely aware of this - but don't those supporters already follow other teams? Will they actually support the team or will they turn up in the short term because it's anti-broncos?

You do realise that that description describes the initial core support base of almost every club right!?

Almost all the people who became the Raiders, Knights, Titans, Cowboys, Storm, fans already 'supported' other clubs in the competition.

Even some of the younger Sydney clubs like Penrith and Cronulla were the same. Like do you seriously believe that Cronulla popped out of a vacuum, because they didn't, in the beginning most of their fans were ex St. George fans.

 

[mongoose]

Why? For who? Those who run Suncorp Stadium would make more money, but is there a realistic demand for twice the amount of games.

I guess I ask this from a very basic supply/demand. Will people be likely to go twice as much due to more games, or are they more likely to attend the same amounts just spread over more games? I would suggest the majority would be the latter.



I'm absolutely aware of this - but don't those supporters already follow other teams? Will they actually support the team or will they turn up in the short term because it's anti-broncos?

For example, in the short history of the Crushers - their average crowds when from 21,029 in 1995, to 13,016 in 1996 to 7,003 in 1997 (that drop off was significantly impacted by Super League and the loss of the Broncos derby).

Probably a lot more demand than there is in sydney for the 100+ games a year or whatever they get.

 

[Perth Red]

Kent is spot on. Sydney teams must not be touched, especially when they represent unique areas of the metropolitan area.

On another note people that bring up Melbourne forget that

a) Melbourne still has 10 auskick teams (incl Geelong) even after relocations

b) All Melbourne based teams are located within 10kms of the CBD. They all represent inner-city suburbs, and not unique regions. Coupled with good transport links and centralised stadiums, you could drop several auskick teams tomorrow and very little would change. You're not leaving any geographic holes because they're all competing for the same fans anyway. All roads lead to the CBD stadiums, and those stadiums are very accessible for just about anyone in the city, even those 30-50kms out.

You get rid of Manly or Cronulla or Wests, you're creating black holes all across Sydney, especially when location of stadiums and transport means that NRL clubs are highly localised.

Either way, seems like the NRL doesn't want to expand. That would be my preference, but reading between the lines it does look like someone is being lined up to get axed or relocated.

The only thing that makes sense in that case would be to move the Titans to Brisbane. Not a fan of the Redcliffe idea floating about. Make it a 2nd team playing out of Suncorp, whether it's the Bombers or whatever.

What about the current black holes in Sydney that dont have a club on their doorstep? Why do you feel ok about creating a massive black hole on the Gold Coast handing afl the region, why do you think Sydney nrl fans can’t travel 45mins but fans in other cities can? So many questions.