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Cherry Evans backflips on the Titans

Will Cherry-Evans reputation ever recover?

  • Yes, everyone will forgive and forget

    Votes: 36 28.3%
  • No, he will always be a merkin

    Votes: 91 71.7%

  • Total voters
    127

Nice Beaver

First Grade
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Titan's forced Manly into this. If they hadn't signed Elgey, I think Manly may have taken the cheaper option. I think the Titan's are better off with Elgey anyway. Manly are probably better off with DCE.

While I'm not really a fan of the contract, I understand the need. I'd have written a 80% goal kicking KPI into that contract myself. For that dough, he needs to be goal kicker, half and captain. Plus he needs to whore himself for any marketing Manly requires. He should retire with RSI on the wrist from signing supporter gear for all the local kiddies too.

I'd say it is closer to $10m for 8 seasons. I'd imagine he is on a proportion deal too. Hopefully up or down...

He is a good player and he is worth $1.25m per season. For that long though? If he retires due to injury, then that ends the contract for salary cap purposes I would imagine? It would be interesting to see what they have arranged there.

My understanding is that if a player gets a career ending injury then he is paid in full for the current season and then 20%-25% of remaining agreed contract value? I have NO idea if the payout of the subsequent years goes towards salary cap or is some benevolent fund situation. Can't imagine a club would be stung inside salary cap for a retired, injured player.....

It is a gamble by Manly, but a calculated one. All this shit about "oh what if his form drops or is fat blah blah blah" - I think DCE has the runs on the board to back up the thought that he will be a premier half and continue to play as such for many years to come.

I am comfortable with the deal and MUCH happier than I would have been if Chris Sandow and the Bubbler were our halves next year.
 

ceagle

Bench
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Before the win in Melbourne, fair to say he'd been very very quiet? Fair that his recent form has been good, however. Probably because he'd made his mind up..

Oh shit wait no that was in the last 48 hours
Nope, been playing hard all year tbh. Stepped up a lot when we had nearly the whole backline out.
 

Nice Beaver

First Grade
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5,920
Before the win in Melbourne, fair to say he'd been very very quiet? Fair that his recent form has been good, however. Probably because he'd made his mind up..

Oh shit wait no that was in the last 48 hours

He's sitting on 10 Dally M points so fair to say he's been going well all year given he has missed a few with injury.

Tell me this genius - if he had made his mind up ages ago and had the contract he just signed presented ages ago, why did he not sign it and announce it back when you seem to think he had this contract and knew what he was doing???

Any sane person would know the further it dragged on the worse his image and "brand" was going to look. So tell me again - why would he do that? For shits and giggles?

Maybe, he knew his management were working with Manly BUT he did not have an offer nor did he know the final details of what would be offered so he could not commit to something that was not there.

Oh hang on, that's common sense and doesn't fit with the shit flying around in social media.
 

El Diablo

Post Whore
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My understanding is that if a player gets a career ending injury then he is paid in full for the current season and then 20%-25% of remaining agreed contract value? I have NO idea if the payout of the subsequent years goes towards salary cap or is some benevolent fund situation. Can't imagine a club would be stung inside salary cap for a retired, injured player.....

It is a gamble by Manly, but a calculated one. All this shit about "oh what if his form drops or is fat blah blah blah" - I think DCE has the runs on the board to back up the thought that he will be a premier half and continue to play as such for many years to come.

I am comfortable with the deal and MUCH happier than I would have been if Chris Sandow and the Bubbler were our halves next year.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ble-for-manly-sea-eagles-20150604-ghgrho.html

However, rival club officials have told Fairfax Media that there is an element of risk in the move as Manly are liable for the full playing component of Cherry-Evans contract, even if he retires due to injury before the deal expires in 2023.

"It's a gamble to sign a player for four or five years, so to do so for any longer is a huge risk, particularly as he will be 35 in his last season of the contract," one club CEO said.

"If Daly was to suffer an injury before then that stopped him from playing, Manly would have to pay him for however long was remaining of the contract."

The requirement for clubs to pay out the full value of the contract of player suffering a career-ending injury was introduced under the current collective bargaining agreement between the NRL and Rugby League Players' Association, which commenced in 2013.

Before then, clubs were able to terminate a player's contract because of "incapacity" (long-term injury) or "health risk" (career-ending injury or medical condition) and, depending on the term of the contract and the extent of the player's participation, the club was liable only for a minimum of a quarter of the player's playing fee in the year his career ended, plus one quarter of his playing fee for two more seasons.

"If a player sustains a career-ending injury while they are training or playing for the club then the contract guarantee applies and that means they are entitled to payment of the playing fee for the balance of the contract, provided they fulfil any non-playing obligations, so if there is a requirement for them to host sponsors or do community work or that sort of thing," an RLPA spokesperson said.
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
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He's sitting on 10 Dally M points so fair to say he's been going well all year given he has missed a few with injury.

Tell me this genius - if he had made his mind up ages ago and had the contract he just signed presented ages ago, why did he not sign it and announce it back when you seem to think he had this contract and knew what he was doing???

Any sane person would know the further it dragged on the worse his image and "brand" was going to look. So tell me again - why would he do that? For shits and giggles?

Maybe, he knew his management were working with Manly BUT he did not have an offer nor did he know the final details of what would be offered so he could not commit to something that was not there.

Oh hang on, that's common sense and doesn't fit with the shit flying around in social media.

10 points is 4 games. It's Round 13 - now I'm not saying that he should be polling well every week but that's hardly the deciding factor in how good or bad his form is. He's going to have to be ultra-consistent to justify the contract he's just signed.

I'm not sure who's to blame - and you'd not have any way of knowing either - but one of DCE, Orr or Manly are to blame. The fact that on the day he announced he was staying, Annesley thought the presser was to announce he was still going, is absolutely disgraceful. There's a spineless merkin somewhere.
 

Perth Red

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I can see him being shuffled into an off field position at 32-33 if he is spent.
He's got himself an amazing deal and Manly are taking a big punt but given the quality of the player it is probably worth it. Be interesting to see if it sets a precedent for other mid 20 year old star players.
 

Perth Red

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He was probably negotiating the contract for quite a few weeks, the final offer was probably only just made. I think what stinks to most is that he said he was def going to titans at the same time he knew Manly were negotiating a better deal with him. Not that whatever he had done would have gone down well but I guess sometimes honesty is the best policy.
 

Perth Red

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out of interest is there anything in the salary cap that prevents clubs from offering post playing positions at the club on loads of $'s? ie "sign for us for three years on $200k and we'll guarantee a job after you've stopped playing for 5 years on $200k"

seems to be a lot of ex player water carriers and community development officers at some clubs!
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
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DCE gets a ground-breaking, multi-million dollar crazy contract from Manly after signing somewhere else while a one-club legend (spare the Northern Eagles rubbish) who won premierships as a player, captain and assistant coach, and has made GFs and prelims every year as a head coach is about to be torched for half a year of struggles that seem caused particularly by board nonsense and the indecision of an overrated halfback yet to match Toovey's achievements.

Oh yeah, and they'll replace him with someone who's not coached a single game as a head coach.

Sounds fair.
 

Patorick

Moderator
Staff member
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out of interest is there anything in the salary cap that prevents clubs from offering post playing positions at the club on loads of $'s? ie "sign for us for three years on $200k and we'll guarantee a job after you've stopped playing for 5 years on $200k"

seems to be a lot of ex player water carriers and community development officers at some clubs!
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DCE used the system to get Manly to up their offer to keep him.
The 2 downs are the system itself which is a joke and needs to be changed ASAP, and that DCE can never trusted again.
 
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... but but but One Club Player...

All players should maximise their salaries.
Yep DCE is certainly going to be a one club player now as know other club will trust him
Nothing wrong with maximising your salary, and playing one club off over another, but not after you have signed a contract.
 

t-ba

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Yep DCE is certainly going to be a one club player now as know other club will trust him
Nothing wrong with maximising your salary, and playing one club off over another, but not after you have signed a contract.

If clubs fouNd a way to get over Super League traitors I am sure they would forgive DCE. Stop being such a drama llama.
 

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