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Commission to outlaw 'shoulder charge'

Should the Shoulder Charge be banned?


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ANTiLAG

First Grade
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Isnt the NFL being sued by former players?

Heh, good luck winning that, even in the USA.

First, this is not America.

Second, it is my understanding that in the USA, the NFL is being sued for not telling the players and/or deliberately witholding the fact that concussions and repeated head injuries are dangerous. Are you suggesting that has happened by the NRL? Are you suggesting that Australians are currently not aware that repeated head injuries is a bad thing long term? If they are aware, then they have consented to the game and the physical contact. If a player deliberately or recklessly does a tackle incorrectly, then sue the player eg McCracken v Kearney.

Why doesn't Muhammad Ali sue the WBA and WBO?

NFL professional athletes consent to a physical contact sport for big money, and then years later sue the governing body because they didn't know that being concussed repeatedly could cause mental harm? Seriously? I'd be far more sympathetic to their cause if they sued the team doctors and coaches that told them they were fit when they weren't, or worse; pressured them, to continue playing despite the associated risks for the player.

The legal world outside the USA is not a Boston Legal episode.

Can you imagine the ramifications for sports if such a suit were successful in Australia? Can you imagine the courts opening the floodgates that far? I cannot. Certainly not for permitting shoulder charges in the rules, nor cricket for permitting bouncers, nor boxing for permitting head punches, and there is nothing to suggest that the NRL has witheld information to the players that repeated head injuries are dangerous, as is the alleged suit in the USA.

If the NRL is really concerned, they could bring in safety regulations which the NFL did not and is being sued in part for, that is, if a player is concussed, maybe he should have to leave the field of play and not return, maybe even stand down for a week or two. The player consents to play the game, the coaches, trainers and doctors are more involved with regards players safety than the governing bodies.

I'd happily act for either party, but I think a claim against the NRL for permitting shoulder charges in the rules, would be completely and utterly laughed out of court. Even in the USA, the claim is that the NFL knew head injuries were dangerous and did not tell the players and actually mislead the players, let alone bring in safety regulations on/off the field for dealing with players with head injuries. From what I have read, it is not about the rules of the physical nature of the game itself. If that becomes part of the suit, what the heck happens to boxing?
 
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adamkungl

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Very worried that the NRL will cave to pressure from sooking doctors. Rugby League would be a worse game with no shoulder charges.
 

Perth Red

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I am surprised a little by duty of care to an employee law not being followed in sport generally. Just been reading about a Wests forward who tore his knee last weekend, the club gave him an injection so he could play on in the 2nd half. Surely that is case for a claim if further damage was done?
 

ANTiLAG

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I am surprised a little by duty of care to an employee law not being followed in sport generally. Just been reading about a Wests forward who tore his knee last weekend, the club gave him an injection so he could play on in the 2nd half. Surely that is case for a claim if further damage was done?


Duty of care always exists to everyone unless explicitly and legally contracted out of.

The situation you describe is a potential legal hot bed. One could say the player consents to the injection and to play on, but he relies on his doctor's advice in making that decision. Naturally, you would want that advice to be impartial, but that doctor is employed by the club and thus possibly answers to the coach. Doctors take a hippocratic oath to their patients but the club employs them. Any prudent doctor would put the patients interests above the club due to the oath and possible law suit, but they are possibly placed in a tricky position due to their employment.

This is a possible mess. The players just have to trust that the doctors are doing the right thing by them under their oath and never acting in self interest per terms of their employment.

If the doctor gave bad medical advice to assist their employment, they would definitely be exposed to legal ramifications. If the advice was merely negligent and the player suffered further damage, again there would legal exposure for the doctor.
 

Canard

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What happens if GI runs into that "attempting" to make at tackle (by using his arms) and the guy gets knocked out all the same.

What gets banned then?? Tackling?

Its just an attempt by private school media types to "Unionise" League because there own game is far too boring.

Is Rugby going to ban scrumagging due to the high incidence of broken necks?
 
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Every person that plays Rugby League should be aware that it is a contact sport and that there is a definite risk of serious and permanent injury. Even a tackle that is within the rules and looks innocuous can have serious effects. Look at the tackle that broke Ben Ross' neck a few years back. The game is doing its best to stamp minimize the risks involved but you will never get rid of them completely. That risk is part and parcel of the game and one of the reasons it is such a spectacle. Every time you pull on the boots it's a test of courage. Especially at NRL level.
 

Knownothing

Juniors
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The shoulder tackle will be banned this year. Like it or not, that is what will happen. When the Daily Tele starts a campaign, backed up by all the club doctors (allegedly) that is the inevitable outcome.
 

kurt faulk

Coach
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i don't thnk it should be banned but if a shoulder charge goes wrong and the shoulder hits the attacker in the head it should be a minmum 6 week suspension. we'll see how long players persist with it after a few of those suspensions.

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Ronnie Dobbs

Coach
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Its not an issue if you don't get hit in the head.

This is a full contact sport. Players are aware of the risks.
 

gronkathon

First Grade
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Nothing wrong with the shoulder charge.

Just make sure you dont get it wrong or you face suspension.

If anything this means an improvement in technique :cool:
 

Armageddon.

Juniors
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What is wrong with this picture?

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hint: Notes column
 
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Just tap them and they should have to fall down and pretend they have been tackled.

Seriously, time to get rid of it now, before someone is seriously hurt or disabled. It is a different game now wether we like it or not
 

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