Commission to outlaw 'shoulder charge'

[magpie4ever]

Can someone explain the justification for banning the shoulder charge in ameteur and semi pro comps?

The "players are become bigger and faster" nonsense doesn't even apply here.

Have you seen the size of some of these 18,19 & 20 year olds lately.

 

[Lambretta]

Like no contest in scrums and 12 interchanges etc which has created a shite of a game.

I was under the impression that we had 10 interchanges per game?

As for scrums, which is preferable? Not contesting them or contesting them endlessly until the referee cracks the shits and decides to randomly penalise one of the teams?

I'd rather our scrums than the wankfest that Unions scrums are.

 

[adamkungl]

Have you seen the size of some of these 18,19 & 20 year olds lately.

Yep.. played ARs/A Grade in the souffs comp for the last few years. They aren't professional athletes though.

 

[some11]

The players should just ignore the referees - if a ref blows a penalty for a shoulder charge, merely get up and play the ball where you are as if you'd been tackled normally. If you're up to 4 tackles, take one more and play your 5th tackle option even if the ref is trying to tell you its the second tackle.

I like the cut of your jib, I hope players just keep doing it until they overturn the rule.

Contact with the head was the problem and all they had to do was be consistent in rubbing that out - nope, too hard, let's just ban the shoulder charge altogether.

 

[magpie4ever]

Yep.. played ARs/A Grade in the souffs comp for the last few years. They aren't professional athletes though.

Doesn't mean they can't do serious damage.

 

[magpie4ever]

I like the cut of your jib, I hope players just keep doing it until they overturn the rule.

Contact with the head was the problem and all they had to do was be consistent in rubbing that out - nope, too hard, let's just ban the shoulder charge altogether.

Does someone live in the real world.

 

[magpie4ever]

I was under the impression that we had 10 interchanges per game?

As for scrums, which is preferable? Not contesting them or contesting them endlessly until the referee cracks the shits and decides to randomly penalise one of the teams?

I'd rather our scrums than the wankfest that Unions scrums are.

Buddy, international games and pommy super league is 12 interchanges.

 

[some11]

Does someone live in the real world.

This is the matrix.

 

[adamkungl]

Doesn't mean they can't do serious damage.

Well, since the most serious shoulder charge gone wrong in recent memory (/ever?) resulted in Dean Young being groggy for all of about 4 mins, i'm not convinced there can be serious damage.

 

[magpie4ever]

Well, since the most serious shoulder charge gone wrong in recent memory (/ever?) resulted in Dean Young being groggy for all of about 4 mins, i'm not convinced there can be serious damage.

Matt Groat - out before he hit the ground.

 

[thorson1987]

Matt Groat - out before he hit the ground.

Dallas Johnson. Knocked out countless times, always making tackles around waist, never a shoulder charge.

Actually pretty sure he has been knocked out more times then everyone who has been knocked out by shoulder charges.

 

[magpie4ever]

Dallas Johnson. Knocked out countless times, always making tackles around waist, never a shoulder charge.

Actually pretty sure he has been knocked out more times then everyone who has been knocked out by shoulder charges.

Pointless agrument as it is banned, but there are probably 500 leg tackles to every one that goes wrong - the same can't be said for shoulder charges.

It is a contact game - you will never take concussions out of it but shoulder charges have numerous subconcussions, as well as, the odd concussion.

 

[thorson1987]

Pointless agrument as it is banned, but there are probably 500 leg tackles to every one that goes wrong - the same can't be said for shoulder charges.

It is a contact game - you will never take concussions out of it but shoulder charges have numerous subconcussions, as well as, the odd concussion.

Nearly every solid tackle would have sub concussions.

The NRL f**ked up on this one.

Using results from test done on NFL players (where up until recently helmet to helmet contact was still legal) should not be used as a reason to ban shoulder charges.

 

[magpie4ever]

Nearly every solid tackle would have sub concussions.

The NRL f**ked up on this one.

Using results from test done on NFL players (where up until recently helmet to helmet contact was still legal) should not be used as a reason to ban shoulder charges.

Ok, agree to disagree on this one. I don't believe RL will lose to much; as you know, as well as, I know the game is a bloody fierce contest with or without the shoulder charge.

 

[Springs]

Doesn't mean they can't do serious damage.

Oh for f**k's sake shut up you have no idea what you're talking about. Every tackle can do serious damage. Amazingly I've had three bones broken in separate instances playing footy and none were from a shoulder charge! I've been knocked out a few times too, still not from a shoulder charge. I've never even been winded from a shoulder charge. I'd like to see a list of injuries from legal shoulder charges.

 

[mattystans000]

Well, since the most serious shoulder charge gone wrong in recent memory (/ever?) resulted in Dean Young being groggy for all of about 4 mins, i'm not convinced there can be serious damage.

Just to chime in here, when I was completing the theory half of my referee's certificate, Casey Badger running the course, she told the story of a young high school kid who'd suffered concussion from a shoulder charge and other contact with the head.

This kid, turned out for his school in a match on Friday, suffered concussion from a shoulder charge. It knocked him out, told not to play again for a while and see a doctor as soon as he could. Next day, doesn't tell his parents or anyone outside his school, plays for his club in Union that Saturday. Gets hit in the head, knocked out again, same thing happens (told to see a Dr. not play, etc). Come Sunday he hasn't told his parents again or anyone else, turns out for his League club, gets hit with contact to the head again, this time he... well is no longer alive as a result.

Was all in the papers and basically, despite the League club being the last one he played for, eventually reported that because he had played these 3 games in a row, suffered repeated knocks to the head, concussion as a result of each one obviously, and most of all not told anybody at any of these 3 separate clubs, that was the cause of his fatality.

Point being, you can get smashed in the head, by a shoulder charge (which is why they banned it isn't it, it can & will cause severe trauma to the head eventually and result in concussion, more often if legalised than banned), you will pick up a concussion as a result, and even if you can get up and walk around 4 minutes later, the severe dangers that come with concussion as a result of a shoulder charge or other head contact, can show up long after the event. Even without playing 3 games in a row, the massive repercussions of suffering a concussion are really, quite seriously, severe and always potentially life threatening. Doing your first aid certificate, they'll teach you head trauma is always one of, if not the most, threatening of all injuries you'll potentially have to treat, because of it's effects.

So yeah, the less contact with the head the better, and by banning the shoulder charge at all levels, you have a greater chance of avoiding that happening than you would by keeping it a legal tactic.

 

[adamkungl]

So yeah, the less contact with the head the better, and by banning the shoulder charge at all levels, you have a greater chance of avoiding that happening than you would by keeping it a legal tactic.

At best unproven, at worst entirely false. Even the bullshit, dubious statistics provided by ARLC to justify this rule didn't lead to this conclusion.

I'm not questioning that concussions aren't very damaging, obviously. But I find the idea that removing shoulder charges will result in notably less concussions to be very unlikely. And even if it does, I still don't think it justifies removing them.

 

[magpie4ever]

Oh for f**k's sake shut up you have no idea what you're talking about. Every tackle can do serious damage. Amazingly I've had three bones broken in separate instances playing footy and none were from a shoulder charge! I've been knocked out a few times too, still not from a shoulder charge. I've never even been winded from a shoulder charge. I'd like to see a list of injuries from legal shoulder charges.[/QUOTE]

I just run that report for you, sir; you wanker.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

Just to chime in here, when I was completing the theory half of my referee's certificate, Casey Badger running the course, she told the story of a young high school kid who'd suffered concussion from a shoulder charge and other contact with the head.

This kid, turned out for his school in a match on Friday, suffered concussion from a shoulder charge. It knocked him out, told not to play again for a while and see a doctor as soon as he could. Next day, doesn't tell his parents or anyone outside his school, plays for his club in Union that Saturday. Gets hit in the head, knocked out again, same thing happens (told to see a Dr. not play, etc). Come Sunday he hasn't told his parents again or anyone else, turns out for his League club, gets hit with contact to the head again, this time he... well is no longer alive as a result.

Was all in the papers and basically, despite the League club being the last one he played for, eventually reported that because he had played these 3 games in a row, suffered repeated knocks to the head, concussion as a result of each one obviously, and most of all not told anybody at any of these 3 separate clubs, that was the cause of his fatality.

Point being, you can get smashed in the head, by a shoulder charge (which is why they banned it isn't it, it can & will cause severe trauma to the head eventually and result in concussion, more often if legalised than banned), you will pick up a concussion as a result, and even if you can get up and walk around 4 minutes later, the severe dangers that come with concussion as a result of a shoulder charge or other head contact, can show up long after the event. Even without playing 3 games in a row, the massive repercussions of suffering a concussion are really, quite seriously, severe and always potentially life threatening. Doing your first aid certificate, they'll teach you head trauma is always one of, if not the most, threatening of all injuries you'll potentially have to treat, because of it's effects.

So yeah, the less contact with the head the better, and by banning the shoulder charge at all levels, you have a greater chance of avoiding that happening than you would by keeping it a legal tactic.

This story proves nothing. Of course, it is a tragedy that this kid is dead but if what you said is true, he was a massive idiot. he was told TWICE to not play by doctors and he still did anyway and didn't even tell anyone he was concussed. That's not the dangers of the shoulder charge, that's f**king natural selection.

 

[magpie4ever]

Just to chime in here, when I was completing the theory half of my referee's certificate, Casey Badger running the course, she told the story of a young high school kid who'd suffered concussion from a shoulder charge and other contact with the head.

This kid, turned out for his school in a match on Friday, suffered concussion from a shoulder charge. It knocked him out, told not to play again for a while and see a doctor as soon as he could. Next day, doesn't tell his parents or anyone outside his school, plays for his club in Union that Saturday. Gets hit in the head, knocked out again, same thing happens (told to see a Dr. not play, etc). Come Sunday he hasn't told his parents again or anyone else, turns out for his League club, gets hit with contact to the head again, this time he... well is no longer alive as a result.

Was all in the papers and basically, despite the League club being the last one he played for, eventually reported that because he had played these 3 games in a row, suffered repeated knocks to the head, concussion as a result of each one obviously, and most of all not told anybody at any of these 3 separate clubs, that was the cause of his fatality.

Point being, you can get smashed in the head, by a shoulder charge (which is why they banned it isn't it, it can & will cause severe trauma to the head eventually and result in concussion, more often if legalised than banned), you will pick up a concussion as a result, and even if you can get up and walk around 4 minutes later, the severe dangers that come with concussion as a result of a shoulder charge or other head contact, can show up long after the event. Even without playing 3 games in a row, the massive repercussions of suffering a concussion are really, quite seriously, severe and always potentially life threatening. Doing your first aid certificate, they'll teach you head trauma is always one of, if not the most, threatening of all injuries you'll potentially have to treat, because of it's effects.

So yeah, the less contact with the head the better, and by banning the shoulder charge at all levels, you have a greater chance of avoiding that happening than you would by keeping it a legal tactic.

Fully agree, Matt Groat was out for a number of weeks and his parents were extremely concerned with the continuing self effects of his concussion (Ben Teo shoulder charge).