Commission to outlaw 'shoulder charge'

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6OklMbxkw8

This seems somewhat appropriate.

 

[taipan]

5 paragraphs and not a single valid point, congratulations.



Ah yes the imaginary G-FORCES that are amplified depending on whether your arm is tucked or not :lol:

Not a valid point:lol:,you see what you want to see and judging by what you pretend to see,SFA.
Shoulder charges are not in the rule book fullstop.

 

[Perth Red]

Last night clint Newton got knocked out, after a short time on the sideline he was put back on the field. If you want to look at risk management and player welfare, and if club dr's really gave a frick, then there is no way that should be allowed.

Masoe showed the way, shoulder charge but just stick your arm out a few cms from the body. His shoulder charge was equally as forceful as if he had his arm tucked in and had equal chance of going wrong and hitting high as a conventional charge, yet is legal, go figure!

 

[taipan]

Last night clint Newton got knocked out, after a short time on the sideline he was put back on the field. If you want to look at risk management and player welfare, and if club dr's really gave a frick, then there is no way that should be allowed.

Masoe showed the way, shoulder charge but just stick your arm out a few cms from the body. His shoulder charge was equally as forceful as if he had his arm tucked in and had equal chance of going wrong and hitting high as a conventional charge, yet is legal, go figure!

Simmons from the Panthers got a decent hit from a shoulder job,and had to have scans.Ask him.He was crook for a few days.
The code has to way the long term possibility of getting the a*se sued off their pants,if a player wants to play nasty with long term effects.If the accident happens as a result of injury due to playing within the rules,their chances are limited,outside the rules you leave yourself open.
The hands are supposedly part of the defensive weapon,use the bast*rds.

Look the shoulder charge can look spectacular at times but I give a sh*t about the players being around next week to compete .If doctors say its a problem,I give them a decent amount of credence.

The argument that players years ago did not use it(that they need an edge today FFS) ,because it is not as competitive as today is crap.These guys learnt how to tackle properly.Beetson was among the best offloaders in the game,trying shoulder charging him.The charge is a lazy man's way to effect a tackle.
Players get enough head knocks from within the game as it is.

 

[Didgi]

lol @ saying a good shoulder charge is easy, ineffective or lazy. Clearly never delivered or received one or noted the impact on either team.

 

[taipan]

lol @ saying a good shoulder charge is easy, ineffective or lazy. Clearly never delivered or received one or noted the impact on either team.

I said its lazy,not easy,read if humanly possible.
I played league, possibly before you sucked your first breath of air.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Masoe showed the way, shoulder charge but just stick your arm out a few cms from the body. His shoulder charge was equally as forceful as if he had his arm tucked in and had equal chance of going wrong and hitting high as a conventional charge, yet is legal, go figure!

I disagree. That took a bit of technique to pull off, similar to a regular tackle just leading with his shoulder. He had to drop his shoulder with his arm out like that, so the risk of him hitting the guy high are reduced compared to tucking his arm.

You're right, this is the new way to hit a guy and it think the ARLC probably aprove.

 

[Didgi]

I said its lazy,not easy,read if humanly possible.
I played league, possibly before you sucked your first breath of air.

You said it took no skill. Things that take no skill are hard, are they?

Wasn't just replying to you either champ.

 

[taipan]

You said it took no skill. Things that take no skill are hard, are they?

FFS I said lazy viz a viz LAZY.
Lazy can mean short cutting,not wanting to tackle the legs.
One more time,it is not in the rule book.Get it.
If it was I would not be arguing with you.

 

[Didgi]

Le sigh. Earlier you said it took as much skill as a trip. I.e. none.

I'm well aware it's not allowed. Just your criticism of it is perplexing, to say the least.

 

[taipan]

A trip gets a player down invariably all the time and its illegal and never allowed fullstop.A shoulder charge can be effective some times, not all the time and is illegal/not in the rule book .That is my comparison.

Of course its perplexing to you,I have an opposite view on the matter.I was taught to tackle with my hands ,blame my coach ATT.That was indeed a skill.

 

[BunniesMan]

It still comes down to the same thing it has been for months. Dopey fools who can't understand why this had to happen.

The commission is filled with people far smarter than you and I. Do you really think they'd piss off the fans by removing something popular if they had any other way?

 

[adamkungl]

Shoulder charges are not in the rule book fullstop.

haha what does that even mean. Shoulder charge not being in the rule book (pre-2013) makes it perfectly legal you nuffy.

 

[snogard6]

Lets make the game more robotic and monotonous:/ that ell keep the fans coming back for more.

 

[adamkungl]

I've never gone to a game and thought "you know what, that game was shit, needed more intercepts".

We should ban intercepts. They take no skill anyway, back in the day players would just tackle the winger, it's a lazy option.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I've never gone to a game and thought "you know what, that game was shit, needed more intercepts".

We should ban intercepts. They take no skill anyway, back in the day players would just tackle the winger, it's a lazy option.

I never thought about it like that, but its a fair point.

 

[Billythekid]

It still comes down to the same thing it has been for months. Dopey fools who can't understand why this had to happen.

The commission is filled with people far smarter than you and I. Do you really think they'd piss off the fans by removing something popular if they had any other way?

This is nothing more than an appeal to authority. Just because someone is high up doesn't mean every decision they make is right. It's not like it would be a new thing for people in charge of our game to make a massive f*ckup.

Yet again you have added nothing to the discussion. Those against this rule change actually explain their reasoning and since you don't know how to make any sort of argument you just make these lazy appeals to authority.

It sucks how fans are willing to just blindly defend any change to the game.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

This is nothing more than an appeal to authority. Just because someone is high up doesn't mean every decision they make is right. It's not like it would be a new thing for people in charge of our game to make a massive f*ckup.

Yet again you have added nothing to the discussion. Those against this rule change actually explain their reasoning and since you don't know how to make any sort of argument you just make these lazy appeals to authority.

It sucks how fans are willing to just blindly defend any change to the game.

But you are yet to prove this is or will be a f**k up.

 

[Bengal]

It still comes down to the same thing it has been for months. Dopey fools who can't understand why this had to happen.

The commission is filled with people far smarter than you and I. Do you really think they'd piss off the fans by removing something popular if they had any other way?

I?d love for them to be smart but ridding the game of its x-factor components based on very little, if any, actual NRL evidence and an over sensitivity to outside non-league interests isn?t very smart at all. What business takes such drastic measures without an exhaustive examination of all their options ? no business with smarts that is for sure. That is the single biggest problem in all of this, the near zero due diligence. And sorry, but a bunch of club doctors means very little given the consequences of their decisions.

Furthermore, given that League has been streets ahead of the likes of Union in the entertainment stakes for several decades (at least) and yet has barely grown, locally or internationally compared to that sport just highlights the lack of smarts League has had for far too long. Simply being in a position of power does not equate to actually knowing what you?re doing, League?s history attests to that let alone the history of the world in general. There is not a single League administrator or medical professional who could live with ?my? scrutiny of their actions, not one and yet I?m just one of those dopey bastards on a message board. That gives you an idea of their actual level of intelligence!

 

[Billythekid]

But you are yet to prove this is or will be a f**k up.

What the hell are you talking about? What exactly am i supposed to prove? We have already seen all the bullsh*t penalties this year for soft tackles, i don't see what else is needed.

The onus isn't on me to prove sh*t. The rule has been fine forever and a day, it's up to the people who support this change to show why it's needed. Nobody has done that adequately. Unlike some of the 'fans' on here i don't like our game being screwed around with for no good reason.

Judging from what i've heard from other people i'm not alone either.