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Commission to outlaw 'shoulder charge'

Should the Shoulder Charge be banned?


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adamkungl

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The NRL has avoided legal situations because there are zero players ever who have suffered long term damage due to shoulder charges lol
 

NrlCoach

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The NFL has just been f**ked to the tune of almost a billion dollars because of it.

And as someone who also follows the AFL I hope the AFL follows the NRLs lead on this in the near future or they will have the same legal risks the NRL has managed to avoid.

Perth Red: The NFL case was based on not acting on evidence and the fact helmet to helmet contact remained as a legal part of the game despite the evidence the NFL had.

NRL HAS NEVER ALLOW ANY HEAD CONTACT IN ITS HISTORY WHILE IT WAS LEGAL IN THE NFL. NFL PLAYER WERE ALLOWED TO HIT EACH OTHER IN THE HEAD WITH HELMETS

DO EVEN READ

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BunniesMan

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The NRL has avoided legal situations because there are zero players ever who have suffered long term damage due to shoulder charges lol
The ones who would be suffering consequences now played in the 80s. The game was far slower then played by far smaller men.

Their bodies went through far less trauma.

The consequences will be felt 10-20 years from now.
 

Perth Red

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The ones who would be suffering consequences now played in the 80s. The game was far slower then played by far smaller men.

Their bodies went through far less trauma.

The consequences will be felt 10-20 years from now.

Are you really tis stupid? Here is why players sued

More than 4,500 former athletes - out of a total of 18,000 retired players - have sued the NFL since 2011, claiming the long-term dangers of concussion have been concealed and that injured players have returned to action too quickly.

It has f**k all to do with shoulder charging! It was all to do with how clubs dealt with concussed players.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Tell me how the AFL & NFL a sporting organizations that are way ahead of the NRL regarding safty of players still havent banned shoulder charge from the competitions.


Fact: shoulder charge is allowed in the NFL
Fact: shoulder charge is allowed in the AFL

As has been pointed out many times, they are different sports.
 

Bengal

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Ban tackling as it causes broken legs ribs head clash broken jaw eye sockets. ban steping as it can go wrong a cause knee reconstruction. Touch Football is the future :crazy:
Touch football is the future as long as that sport also, doesn?t throw up a lot of injuries specific to it. Because if it does then that sport is gooooone too.
 

Danish

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Can all the geniuses here pointing to studies based on NFL care to point out when the NFL, due to the current litigation against them, decided to ban shoulder charges?

I mean, they must have banned them right? Because you all look like pretty f**king massive dumbasses if, oh I dunno, they were still a PERFECTLY LEGAL TACKLE in that sport.
 

POPEYE

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Maybe we should make Snowden wear 50mm of shoulder padding so the bony part of his shoulder can't break a jaw or have his intended victims wear helmets . . . maybe we should dump League and just play that other pisspoor excuse for a sport
 

Billythekid

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Can all the geniuses here pointing to studies based on NFL care to point out when the NFL, due to the current litigation against them, decided to ban shoulder charges?

I mean, they must have banned them right? Because you all look like pretty f**king massive dumbasses if, oh I dunno, they were still a PERFECTLY LEGAL TACKLE in that sport.

Yeah this has got to be the funniest thing about this thread.
 

adamkungl

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Yeah this has got to be the funniest thing about this thread.

Embarrassingly large flaw in their argument really. I'm sure the NFL have taken steps to ensure legal action won't occur again. None of those stops have involved removing f**king shoulder charges.
 

Kiwi

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they'll never get rid of the shoulder charge because they are inconsistent. One on one you'll get busted, but if there are others in the tackle you can most likely get away with it. I personally like the shoulder charge, I think the game is turning soft with players taking dives all the time, and it's obvious they are doing it.
 

taipan

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The primary concern is the welfare of the player.without him the code is stuffed.
The shoulder charge whilst spectacular on the odd occasion is not in the rule book.
If it is not in the rule book,any damage done to a player as a result of an act not in the rule book,leaves the club/code open to damages down the line by a player.

The code has plenty of contact and indeed accidental which can lead to concussion.
The NFL now has to set aside $675m for players injured as a result of concussion,plus a miriad of other costs that code faces.The NRL is not in the financial position to be able to do that, at present.Concussion can occur as regard any form of heavy contact,and that includes at times shoulder charges(which are not in the rules),whether we like it or not.

If anyone thinks the code has grown soft,ask the Titans and Tigers with the number of injured players on the sidelines,,whether the code is soft.The soft argument is a lot of crapola.

I have never repeat never left a game of rugby league,saying that was a sh*t of a game ,there were no shoulder charges.When I have been to a great game,it is because of the speed,body contact legitimately done,the continuity,lack of errors,and brilliant attack.

Raper,Pearce,Coote,Lewis,Fulton et al did not need a shoulder charge to stop a player.They tackled effectively (a skill).Shoulder charge is as skillfull ,as a trip.
 
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reanimate

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If there is a study that shows shoulder charges not contacting the head causes significant head trauma can you post the reference to the peer reviewed journal it was published in please then I will change my view.

100% agreed. Somebody needs to provide links to the peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals which support this ban, otherwise the ban's based on bullshit and hysteria, not science.

Bunniesman, you can start- I've seen you say you're at uni, use your uni's online journal database to find us these studies.
 
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Bengal

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The primary concern is the welfare of the player.without him the code is stuffed.
The code encompasses two aspects, the processional side and the amateur side. The amateur side will live on forever in one form or another. The professional side is ruled by the fans and not the players or player welfare. The fans are being shafted, the professional side of this sport is a dead man walking as a result. You can?t f**k around the people that fund every aspect of the professional side and expect there to be no consequences as a result. League traded on toughness, League now survives off the fumes of its glorious gladiatorial past ? but people will see through that soon enough.

If anyone thinks the code has grown soft,ask the Titans and Tigers with the number of injured players on the sidelines,,whether the code is soft.The soft argument is a lot of crapola.
The game has gone soft, no two ways about it. What is interesting is that despite the crackdown on the spectacular, occasionally injury-inducing plays, injuries are still occurring at what appears to be an ever-increasing rate. Now that in of itself negates the ?player welfare is a primary concern? argument. Clearly player welfare is a concern only in regards to certain facets of play, everything else though, obviously not a concern whatsoever. Player welfare my arse. More to the point though, an abundance of injuries does not denote toughness, many sports have their fair share of injuries but most of them aren?t seen in the same light as League. Ultra long distance runners for example, they pick up and run through a myriad of injuries during their endeavors, hard folk for sure, gotta respect them but their brand of hard doesn?t turn heads in any significant way.

I have never repeat never left a game of rugby league,saying that was a sh*t of a game ,there were no shoulder charges.When I have been to a great game,it is because of the speed,body contact legitimately done,the continuity,lack of errors,and brilliant attack.
You?re right, the game doesn?t need shoulder charges to be spectacular. But they and the big hit (and to a smaller extent the biff) are the x-factor components of the sport. No other (team) sport has this x-factor in the abundance we once had. It is what separated us from out our competitors and essentially gave us the edge over them. They are what turn heads the most and what people remember the most. They all underpin the toughness legend that helped sell the game. Other factors like brilliant attack, speed, ball skills, well, they?re all largely subjective depending on one?s understanding of a sport, as such, they are in abundance in any given sport. But a big hit, you don?t need to have any understanding of a sport to get that, to be moved by it and to have it seared into your brain forever. It/they are the game?s crown jewels and we?re tossing them into the gutter, the game is on borrowed time as a result.

Raper,Pearce,Coote,Lewis,Fulton et al did not need a shoulder charge to stop a player.They tackled effectively (a skill).Shoulder charge is as skillfull ,as a trip.
Most of these guys played in a time when we had few legitimate competitors. That is not the case now days, we needed an edge, we had an edge and now that?s all but gone. She's a tough ask now for sure.
 

Bengal

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100% agreed. Somebody needs to provide links to the peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals which support this ban, otherwise the ban's based on bullshit and hysteria, not science.
Some chap in my neck of the woods (Wellington NZ) is just finishing up on ground-breaking research centered around forces generated during impact situations, albeit done on local club rugby players. It involved specially designed mouth guards that could measure the forces players encountered. Can?t remember too much more but to the PC brigade, it?ll be more fodder for them to feed off for sure.
 

Springs

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That argument about impact on the brain from a shoulder charge that doesn't hit the head is bollocks anyway, as any player can still hit just as hard and wrap their arms around. We have still seen big hits this year that would hurt just as much as a shoulder charge, the hypocrisy being that if they bounce off the shoulder and they don't have one arm sticking out that somehow makes it worse (and illegal). Absolute shit.
 

Springs

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And then another thing, Sam Burgess is allowed to run full pelt, while he has the ball, at Daniel Mortimer and smash him with the shoulder. Why are shoulder charges by the attacking team still legal? Wouldn't they cause just as much damage?
 

adamkungl

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The primary concern is the welfare of the player.without him the code is stuffed.
The shoulder charge whilst spectacular on the odd occasion is not in the rule book.
If it is not in the rule book,any damage done to a player as a result of an act not in the rule book,leaves the club/code open to damages down the line by a player.

The code has plenty of contact and indeed accidental which can lead to concussion.
The NFL now has to set aside $675m for players injured as a result of concussion,plus a miriad of other costs that code faces.The NRL is not in the financial position to be able to do that, at present.Concussion can occur as regard any form of heavy contact,and that includes at times shoulder charges(which are not in the rules),whether we like it or not.

If anyone thinks the code has grown soft,ask the Titans and Tigers with the number of injured players on the sidelines,,whether the code is soft.The soft argument is a lot of crapola.

I have never repeat never left a game of rugby league,saying that was a sh*t of a game ,there were no shoulder charges.When I have been to a great game,it is because of the speed,body contact legitimately done,the continuity,lack of errors,and brilliant attack.

Raper,Pearce,Coote,Lewis,Fulton et al did not need a shoulder charge to stop a player.They tackled effectively (a skill).Shoulder charge is as skillfull ,as a trip.

5 paragraphs and not a single valid point, congratulations.

That argument about impact on the brain from a shoulder charge that doesn't hit the head is bollocks anyway, as any player can still hit just as hard and wrap their arms around. We have still seen big hits this year that would hurt just as much as a shoulder charge, the hypocrisy being that if they bounce off the shoulder and they don't have one arm sticking out that somehow makes it worse (and illegal). Absolute shit.

Ah yes the imaginary G-FORCES that are amplified depending on whether your arm is tucked or not :lol:
 

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