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Continued disruption with Benji's future

Magpies Forever

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How long can it go on with the walking headline before WT say enough? Surely WT cannot go into the season proper with all the disruption and unsettling this issue wil cause the team as a whole. I hope they put it on Benji for a final decision- one way or the other before the season starts.
 

alien

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you know i really hate what the nrl are doing. benji should be allowed to try and to make as much money as he wants. the nrl are oppressing him and if they dont stop acting like this then alot of the top players will tell the nrl to go to hell
 

Magpies Forever

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I can see a point about restraint of trade etc especially if the supposedly agreed avenue of allowing WT contract to run out then Benji plays RU in Japan - returns to Oz and WT to play in 2010 under new contract agreed to during / after Japan stint

BUT

I also see NRL viewpoint and the slary cap aspect they are trying to keep in line. Lets face it they are worried with precedents being set.

Dunno- I dont think either side is totally right or totally wrong. I'm worried about Benji's body not taking the strain of continuous contact sport for a full year with no break. Also- what about the NRL thoughts on NOT allowing Benji to play with WT post Japan stint? If that is the case then why the hell should WT promote it as an option then????
 
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Tiger Hawk

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Assume a player defects to rugby. 3 months into it, he hates it, walks out and wants to rejoin the NRL. Would Gallop refuse to register that contract? I'm more worried about at whose discretion any decision is made. Gallop gladly registered Sailor's contract after he'd served a two year ban for substance abuse, yet he's baulking at this?

Fact is, if Benji or any other player is off-contract, goes and plays in Japan or Europe for 4 months, is then off-contract there and wants to sign a new contract with his old NRL club but the NRL refuses to register it, it's restraint of trade. We need the clowns at Tigers HQ to stand up to this sh*t and blatantly say, "we're not in breach of any laws, you refuse to register this contract, we will take further legal action".

I don't want Benji doing this as it increases the risk of injury, not to mention there's nothing but a potential "hand-shake agreement" stopping him from walking out permanently, but if it means the Tigers re-sign him on a more favourable contract, so be it. Even that clown Doust can see it and has been more vocal about it than the idiots at our club.
 

Magpies Forever

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Assume a player defects to rugby. 3 months into it, he hates it, walks out and wants to rejoin the NRL. Would Gallop refuse to register that contract? I'm more worried about at whose discretion any decision is made. Gallop gladly registered Sailor's contract after he'd served a two year ban for substance abuse, yet he's baulking at this?

Fact is, if Benji or any other player is off-contract, goes and plays in Japan or Europe for 4 months, is then off-contract there and wants to sign a new contract with his old NRL club but the NRL refuses to register it, it's restraint of trade. We need the clowns at Tigers HQ to stand up to this sh*t and blatantly say, "we're not in breach of any laws, you refuse to register this contract, we will take further legal action".

I don't want Benji doing this as it increases the risk of injury, not to mention there's nothing but a potential "hand-shake agreement" stopping him from walking out permanently, but if it means the Tigers re-sign him on a more favourable contract, so be it. Even that clown Doust can see it and has been more vocal about it than the idiots at our club.

Dont disagree- I cant see that there would be any legal legs for NRL to stand on if the period this is supposed to take place is not covered by any existing RL contract. Also agree- I dont think Benji should do this, and handshake agrements are very, very suss and very liable to not living up to either sides expectations when it comes time to really sign the contract.
 

GC_Gladiator

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I don't want Benji doing this as it increases the risk of injury, not to mention there's nothing but a potential "hand-shake agreement" stopping him from walking out permanently, but if it means the Tigers re-sign him on a more favourable contract, so be it. Even that clown Doust can see it and has been more vocal about it than the idiots at our club.

What if when he comes back he decides to go for more money at another club. Or he comes back seriously injured? Its january/february and the tigers dont have a halfback/five eight and no one is on the open market.

I could see this massively back firing in the tigers face. I'm not trying to troll, just stating that the tigers could probably pick up a more reliable/stable option this season (for next) for the five eight role with benji's 350 whose happy to be in league earning what his earning. Hell, at this time last season you would have been debating whether benji was worth the 350 he was getting- as his usually more a spectator than a player.
 

Tiger Hawk

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What if when he comes back he decides to go for more money at another club. Or he comes back seriously injured? Its january/february and the tigers dont have a halfback/five eight and no one is on the open market.

I could see this massively back firing in the tigers face. I'm not trying to troll, just stating that the tigers could probably pick up a more reliable/stable option this season (for next) for the five eight role with benji's 350 whose happy to be in league earning what his earning. Hell, at this time last season you would have been debating whether benji was worth the 350 he was getting- as his usually more a spectator than a player.
Do you think that's what I meant by "I don't want Benji doing this as it increases the risk of injury, not to mention there's nothing but a potential "hand-shake agreement" stopping him from walking out permanently"....?

If it's all we're left with however, so be it. There isn't an off-contract half worth $350k available for next year so we're going to be in this position 12 months from now whatever happens. May as well roll the dice and see what comes up.
 
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I'd rather Gallop just ban anyone that goes to Union, including Benji. This "We'll be upset but we don't know what we'll do" attitude is just wimpy.

f**king pansy.
 

Magpies Forever

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I'd rather Gallop just ban anyone that goes to Union, including Benji. This "We'll be upset but we don't know what we'll do" attitude is just wimpy.

f**king pansy.

At very least- every player would know what will happen if they do want to sign a contract with the rah rah boys. No exemptions and no recall back into the NRL, even if they do want to return- no matter what their name is or what their NRL club says. At best ESL for them.
 
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Yep MF.

People forget that Union banned their players from returning to Union after going to Rugby League for nearly 100 years. There is a precedent.

We need this bloke (Gallop) to show he's not the spineless, chinless wimp that we all know he is.

I'd hate to lose Benji but if he goes to Union I'd rather not see him back.
 

Perth Tiger

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I'd rather Gallop just ban anyone that goes to Union, including Benji. This "We'll be upset but we don't know what we'll do" attitude is just wimpy.

f**king pansy.

I agree, if his plan goes ahead he is helping a direct competitor by increase the profile of rah rah in Japan which would give them more money to poach more players. I hope Gallop stands his ground for once and doesn't let this happen even if we lose Benji for good.

If he wanted to have a guest stint with a RL side somewhere I wouldn't have a problem with it but we shouldn't let our players give rival codes a boost
 

sideline_eye

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Its OK for Gallop to say no to Benji going to Rugby, but what about when Brad Thorn playing for the Broncos went to pay Union in NZ for 3 yrs then came back to the Broncos and played state of origin before going back again to NZ to play union... Where was Gallop then to say no you can't do that.
 
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He's backed himself into a corner when you bring Thorn into it. I don't think they ever expected Thorn to come back.

He shouldn't have allowed him, Sailor or Rogers to come back. If he hadn't he wouldn't look like a hypocrite and softcock now..
 

Magpies Forever

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This is why WT should not be encouraging Benji to go- if he is after the big bucks then wave bye, bye to him. Frankly I'm getting sick of hearing about him- this drama is becoming longer than Days of Our Lives................

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/nrl/story/0,26799,25080094-5006066,00.htmlArticle from:
Doctors tell Benji 'don't go'
By Dean Ritchie | February 20, 2009 12:00am
Is Benji cursed ... he's has a fractured cheekbone in 2006; a shoulder reconstruction in 2004; right shoulder surgery in 2005; recurrence of the right shoulder injury in 2006; further shoulder surgery in 2007 and a torn posterior cruciate ligament in 2008. / The Daily Telegraph
PROMINENT Sydney doctors have warned injury-prone Wests Tigers star Benji Marshall that taking the quick cash in Japan could significantly cut short his glittering career.
Their stance underlines NRL chief executive David Gallop's contentious decision to ban Marshall from an off-season stint in Japanese rugby union.
The Daily Telegraph has obtained statistics showing Marshall's body can't stand up to back-to-back NRL seasons - let alone an off-season overseas. Marshall, a New Zealand World Cup hero, has missed 51 games out of a possible 131 matches since 2003.
He has regularly sustained injuries, particularly to his shoulders, and has earned close to $30,000 for each of his 80 first grade matches in that period.
Martin Raftery, St George's doctor for 19 years and now ARU medical director, said Marshall must be extremely cautious about playing non-stop for 20 months. "No doubt a lot of injuries are related to fatigue,'' Raftery said.
"Extending your training and playing without an appropriate break puts a player at high risk of injury. We have a player here who has a history of injury. Sometimes players look at the short term rather than the long term. It is difficult to avoid fatigue if you continue to play.''
Leading sports doctor and ex-Souths forward Nathan Gibbs said all rugby league players need off-season rest. "Every athlete in high intensity and high physical activity sports need time to recover,'' Gibbs said.
"That should be built into their program. While financial security is important, my advice to younger players would be that if they want to prolong their career, they have to be careful of not overloading themselves or they won't have a long career.
"Maybe at the end of their career they could go for the money. And it's not just physical. There is also the psychological recovery. Every player needs to get away.''
Marshall said he would continue to pursue a deal in Japan despite Gallop saying he may not register the player if he returns to the NRL in early 2010.
Gallop last night reiterated his thoughts on star players sustaining injury overseas in a rival sport.
"Clearly the risk of injury is high in our sport and rugby union, which would be unfamiliar to Benji,'' Gallop said.
"We don't want to see our stars injured in our game let alone that of our competitors. Wests Tigers and New Zealand fans would be entitled to feel shattered if he was injured in Japan.''
Former Bulldogs and Australian doctor Hugh Hazard had mixed thoughts on the issue. "I think a six week break is reasonable. I know some players back from a Kangaroo tour have struggled to get back if they don't have a period of rest and rehab,'' Hazard said.
"But playing union would be a little easier than league. It depends on whether the player has injuries and needs rehab. If he is young and fit and hasn't had a lot of surgery he could probably get away with it.''
 
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Its OK for Gallop to say no to Benji going to Rugby, but what about when Brad Thorn playing for the Broncos went to pay Union in NZ for 3 yrs then came back to the Broncos and played state of origin before going back again to NZ to play union... Where was Gallop then to say no you can't do that.


I think this point is the most important.
 

Magpies Forever

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As far as I can recall the big difference in the case between Thorn and Marshall would be that Thorn finished one and then went to the other. The case being espoused for Marshall has him using the off season to go and play and then come back to WT's- even when used as a free agent (ie lets his contract expire and then renews with WT after finished)- the case involves prior approval and active collusion by WT management to come to an arrangment wiht a player where he can extra money whilst agreeing to terms for a new contract in the 2010+ seasons.

I can see that the NRL auditors would be interested in the deal / what happens and making some decision down the track on where it leaves the club in terms of salary cap and third party payments etc.

As to the demand on stresses on his body- I'm really not sure WT management should be promoting it until at least they see how his fitness is this year.
 

madunit

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I agree completely with EA. If Benji has an ounce of brains about him, he'll realise he won't stand a chance in union, unless he plays in the backline somewhere.

If he plays in the halves, the forwards will be all over him, he'll have no time to do anything.

And I dare say by the time the next season comes around, he'll have undergone more surgery on his f**king shoulders.

If I were Benji I'd think twice about ever playing Rugby. No point in earning an extra few hundred grand if it means your career is shortened by an extra 5 or so seasons because of injuries.
 

westie

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I don't see why Benji would do his shoulders in Union. He's only ever done them trying to tackle running front rowers straight on.
 
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Rugby is less physical than League.

You get a whole 10-15 meter run-up most times in league, yet in rugby they are usually 2-3 meters unless there is a break.
The only time you're in real danger is under one of those piles.
 

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