Cooper cronk

[Saintsified]

It is not about Parramatta it's about getting the best out of our squad which by all accounts has great potential just need to tap into it.

Are you trying to tell me that if you put Benji in Parramatta he would do something?

Well they put Benji into St George and he did something, so yes in Parramatta he would do something.

 

[Objective View]

No that's right, away from Price's terrible influence he only managed to get an injury ravaged team to the finals where we fell by a point after our chief playmaker was taken out with more than a quarter of the game to go.
He'll do even better this year.

If you're relying on an injury free season to do well, you're in trouble. That said, we have added to our roster with good depth signings.

Doesn't change the fact the bloke can't coach, especially in attack.

Straight Shooter

 

[Shulman]

If you're relying on an injury free season to do well, you're in trouble. That said, we have added to our roster with good depth signings.

Doesnt change the fact the bloke can't coach, especially in attack.

Straight Shooter

Every premiership campaign relies on luck with injuries. Keep writing all this shit buddy. I love it!

 

[rainman44]

If you're relying on an injury free season to do well, you're in trouble. That said, we have added to our roster with good depth signings.

Doesnt change the fact the bloke can't coach, especially in attack.

Straight Shooter

I thought the same at the start about Mary not being able to coach but i am still removing the egg of my face, if you can not see what Mary nearly pulled off against the dogs last year with a small forward pack and no strike power out wide then you are a hard man to please. In my own opinion we are in for a massive year. I think you should give Mary this year to prove what he has as a coach.

 

[BennyV]

No that's right, away from Price's terrible influence he only managed to get an injury ravaged team to the finals where we fell by a point after our chief playmaker was taken out with more than a quarter of the game to go.
He'll do even better this year.

I'm not at all saying that he hasn't, or won't, improve the team! He is proving to be a great coach, but part of being a great coach is appointing a good coaching staff around you. You can point out that he was a wonderful centre 2 decades ago, but the fact is that in the last 2 seasons, where he has been in control of attack, we have been amongst the bottom teams for points scored. That's not discouraging him as a coach, it means he needs the right assistant/s around him.

For example - Robinsons first year at Roosters, he won the premiership and minor premiership on the back of a highly effective defensive pattern and attacking structure, both of which he credits to defensive coach (Craig Fitzgibbon) and attacking tactician (Jason Taylor). That same attacking coach has proven to be an absolute plank as a head coach, because while he has the technical knowledge, he clearly doesn't have the ability to manage a group of grown men and motivate them to play top notch footy. This is where a coaching staff is necessary in today's game, especially with rookie coaches. Mary credited Dean Young with our brick wall defense last year, he just needs to find the right guy with a footy brain to get the attack firing. I hope it's Hornby, if not we should go looking elsewhere.

 

[Objective View]

He is proving to be a great coach

That's simply ridiculous.

Straight Shooter

 

[giboz71]

I'm not at all saying that he hasn't, or won't, improve the team! He is proving to be a great coach, but part of being a great coach is appointing a good coaching staff around you. You can point out that he was a wonderful centre 2 decades ago, but the fact is that in the last 2 seasons, where he has been in control of attack, we have been amongst the bottom teams for points scored. That's not discouraging him as a coach, it means he needs the right assistant/s around him.

For example - Robinsons first year at Roosters, he won the premiership and minor premiership on the back of a highly effective defensive pattern and attacking structure, both of which he credits to defensive coach (Craig Fitzgibbon) and attacking tactician (Jason Taylor). That same attacking coach has proven to be an absolute plank as a head coach, because while he has the technical knowledge, he clearly doesn't have the ability to manage a group of grown men and motivate them to play top notch footy. This is where a coaching staff is necessary in today's game, especially with rookie coaches. Mary credited Dean Young with our brick wall defense last year, he just needs to find the right guy with a footy brain to get the attack firing. I hope it's Hornby, if not we should go looking elsewhere.

I alluded to all this earlier. Mary has clearly added value in terms of man management and everyone buying into the culture. The defence and commitment, particularly in the last game is evidence that the team is switched on mentally (something sadly missing in the Price years)

What is missing now is the technical knowledge to structure an attack with the players we have, and this is where the value of assistants lie. Best example of this is the QLD Origin team. Clearly Mal Meninga alone is not responsible for the 8 straight series wins - pretty clear that Walters, Hagan Henry et al are brains behind that operation.

And many teams now use assistants effectively - Cartwright and Furner at the Cowboys, Walters and Kearney at the Broncos, Browny at the Storm, Barrett at Penrith, Wrigley at the Rabbits, Holbrook and Fitzgibbon at the Roosters. All these guys know their stuff, and many are past and future head coaches.

This is where Millward was clearly out of his depth. Hopefully Hornby brings something new to the table.

 

[BennyV]

That's simply ridiculous.

Straight Shooter

I should rephrase - he is on the way to becoming a great coach. No coach dominates straight up, but Mary has shown he has the man management and motivational attributes required by all career coaches. Given the constraints of the team, salary cap and coaching staff around him, its a very reasonable comment to make, and I look forward to seeing if you can put together a coherent, fact-driven refutation to that, or if you will throw a bunch of one liners that hold no relevance and are nothing more than contrary statements.

Lets see what the self-proclaimed smartest guy on the forum has to offer!

 

[BrissyRedV]

I alluded to all this earlier. Mary has clearly added value in terms of man management and everyone buying into the culture. The defence and commitment, particularly in the last game is evidence that the team is switched on mentally (something sadly missing in the Price years)

What is missing now is the technical knowledge to structure an attack with the players we have, and this is where the value of assistants lie. Best example of this is the QLD Origin team. Clearly Mal Meninga alone is not responsible for the 8 straight series wins - pretty clear that Walters, Hagan Henry et al are brains behind that operation.

And many teams now use assistants effectively - Cartwright and Furner at the Cowboys, Walters and Kearney at the Broncos, Browny at the Storm, Barrett at Penrith, Wrigley at the Rabbits, Holbrook and Fitzgibbon at the Roosters. All these guys know their stuff, and many are past and future head coaches.

This is where Millward was clearly out of his depth. Hopefully Hornby brings something new to the table.

Dragons list of appointments will answer most of the questions raised in this post.

 

[Objective View]

I alluded to all this earlier. Mary has clearly added value in terms of man management and everyone buying into the culture. The defence and commitment, particularly in the last game is evidence that the team is switched on mentally (something sadly missing in the Price years)

What is missing now is the technical knowledge to structure an attack with the players we have, and this is where the value of assistants lie. Best example of this is the QLD Origin team. Clearly Mal Meninga alone is not responsible for the 8 straight series wins - pretty clear that Walters, Hagan Henry et al are brains behind that operation.

And many teams now use assistants effectively - Cartwright and Furner at the Cowboys, Walters and Kearney at the Broncos, Browny at the Storm, Barrett at Penrith, Wrigley at the Rabbits, Holbrook and Fitzgibbon at the Roosters. All these guys know their stuff, and many are past and future head coaches.

This is where Millward was clearly out of his depth. Hopefully Hornby brings something new to the table.

Our coaching roster is close to the weakest in the competition. This not only impacts the technical aspects of play but other facets such as recruitment and sponsorship. It's time to get serious.

Straight Shooter

 

[giboz71]

Our coaching roster is close to the weakest in the competition. This not only impacts the technical aspects of play but other facets such as recruitment and sponsorship. It's time to get serious.

Straight Shooter

I agree. And Benny V said the same thing. Mary is a rookie and should have a had a better support staff around him. This was the reason why our attack in particular was so poor.

Are you happy with the appointments announced this morning?

 

[Vasilevsky]

Our coaching roster is close to the weakest in the competition. This not only impacts the technical aspects of play but other facets such as recruitment and sponsorship. It's time to get serious.

Straight Shooter

On what basis do you say that? I was among the fiercest critics of supercoach Price from very early on (and was roundly denounced for it on this forum) so I'm hardly one who believes the club and anyone involved in it is immune from criticism. But from what I understand, during the first half a season Mary was in charge he stemmed the bleeding even if the situation didn't improve.

Last season he took a team many (including me) were tipping for, or thought would be lucky to escape the wooden-spoon (I always tip the Shonkies for the spoon. It works pretty well.) and turned them into a genuine premiership force.

As for not being able to recruit top players, I think it has much more to do with TPAs and brown paper bags than the coaching staff.

There are many things one can find to criticize about the club but from what I can see, your criticism of the coaching staff is unfounded at this stage.

 

[Vasilevsky]

I agree. And Benny V said the same thing. Mary is a rookie and should have a had a better support staff around him. This was the reason why our attack in particular was so poor.

Are you happy with the appointments announced this morning?

Mary has the power to hire and fire the assistants he wants. It all comes back to him.

 

[getsmarty]

Mary has the power to hire and fire the assistants he wants. It all comes back to him.

True..and he has made positive changes. Well done Mary.

 

[Jubileeboy]

On what basis do you say that? I was among the fiercest critics of supercoach Price from very early on (and was roundly denounced for it on this forum) so I'm hardly one who believes the club and anyone involved in it is immune from criticism. But from what I understand, during the first half a season Mary was in charge he stemmed the bleeding even if the situation didn't improve.

Last season he took a team many (including me) were tipping for, or thought would be lucky to escape the wooden-spoon (I always tip the Shonkies for the spoon. It works pretty well.) and turned them into a genuine premiership force.

As for not being able to recruit top players, I think it has much more to do with TPAs and brown paper bags than the coaching staff.

There are many things one can find to criticize about the club but from what I can see, your criticism of the coaching staff is unfounded at this stage.

But you only joined LU in June 2015?
Price wasn't even coaching, newb.
Are you saying you were here before? Were you banned or something?

 

[bottle]

But you only joined LU in June 2015?
Price wasn't even coaching, newb.
Are you saying you were here before? Were you banned or something?

Haha, beat me to it.

 

[Minh]

On what basis do you say that? I was among the fiercest critics of supercoach Price from very early on (and was roundly denounced for it on this forum) so I'm hardly one who believes the club and anyone involved in it is immune from criticism. But from what I understand, during the first half a season Mary was in charge he stemmed the bleeding even if the situation didn't improve.

Last season he took a team many (including me) were tipping for, or thought would be lucky to escape the wooden-spoon (I always tip the Shonkies for the spoon. It works pretty well.) and turned them into a genuine premiership force.

As for not being able to recruit top players, I think it has much more to do with TPAs and brown paper bags than the coaching staff.

There are many things one can find to criticize about the club but from what I can see, your criticism of the coaching staff is unfounded at this stage.

This kind of post makes more sense even though the joining date was mid 2015. There were some good points here...

 

[_Johnsy]

But you only joined LU in June 2015?
Price wasn't even coaching, newb.
Are you saying you were here before? Were you banned or something?

Haha, beat me to it.

bwahahaha, now that's funny.

He wouldn't be telling porkies would he ?

 

[bottle]

bwahahaha, now that's funny.

He wouldn't be telling porkies would he ?

l'm guessing an inadvertent slip revealing a previous persona.

 

[Vasilevsky]

But you only joined LU in June 2015?
Price wasn't even coaching, newb.
Are you saying you were here before? Were you banned or something?

It isn't rocket science:roll:. Guess if you can't figure it out.