News Coronavirus and NRL

[Spanner in the works]

Many people are going to disagree but in my opinion sacking a bloke for this is a massive overreaction. Yes he made a mistake but it is hardly the crime of the century. What we all need to remember is that there is a lot of sensationalism flying around with the ultimate aim of hyperbolising what occurred. Someone has already correctly pointed out that News Ltd shows and publications have buzz words which they use to amplify the egregiousness of the incident. This dovetails nicely with what the same rhetoric that the government is using in order to get people feeling scared about the pandemic and justify the need for a lockdown given that we only have something like 30 cases a day.

You know at the start of August last year, the UK had around 700 cases a day and by the end of the year it over 55k? Or that at the start of February, India had around 8k per day and by the start of May it had almost 400k? If we take as first principle that what Vaughan and co did is okay for everyone in society, we will soon be talking about a situation like that. Now I've lived in a country (the UK) when it's at its peak and out of control, and I can assure you that 1) you're wrong and 2) it's not something that you should wish on anyone else (which you are by taking that position).

Welcome to return to your News Limited/Government conspiracy shit.

 

[parrawentyfan]

I feel very conflicted about this.

On the one hand, I am very strict around pandemic rules. I hate seeing people flagrantly breaching lockdown rules, mask wearing etc. I was glad to see the fairly significant fines and the suspensions. I had been hoping the players would have the book thrown at them. Their actions could have significantly damaged the NRL season or worse had pandemic implications (it only takes the odd slip up to create a cluster).

BUT...

I think tearing up Vaughan's contract is too punitive, even with his previous record. I seriously hope that whoever is involved is keeping a close eye on the mental health aspects of all this. No matter your line of work, anyone who suddenly loses a job due to a personal stuff up would be stressed enough. Let alone to have it all play out publicly with everyone laying the boot in. There are WHS obligations that need to be adhered to.

And I'm sickened by the double standards of Fox. To hire a known workplace bully like Hadley is bad enough, but to have him lay into Vaughan on live television and take the high ground is very poor. The guy has just lost a multi million job that very afternoon - give him a break FFS! Hadley has done much worse over his career and gotten away with it.

 

[souths_reborn]

You know at the start of August last year, the UK had around 700 cases a day and by the end of the year it over 55k? Or that at the start of February, India had around 8k per day and by the start of May it had almost 400k? If we take as first principle that what Vaughan and co did is okay for everyone in society, we will soon be talking about a situation like that. Now I've lived in a country (the UK) when it's at its peak and out of control, and I can assure you that 1) you're wrong and 2) it's not something that you should wish on anyone else (which you are by taking that position).

Welcome to return to your News Limited/Government conspiracy shit.

30 cases a day is a lot different to 700. I'm not against lockdowns; I'm against premature lockdowns. I've got no problems with implementing a lockdown if numbers continue to grow. What you need to remember is that businesses are going bankrupt because of this lockdown - I'm sure you would not wish that on anyone as well as in many instances these are people's livelihoods.

It is easy for everyone to jump up and down scream for a lockdown without taking into account how infeasible it is on a long-term basis given the financial ramifications at stake. The other thing that you need to take into account is that the government has not once come out and said how many cases per day our health system is capable of managing. If there is any quantitative data on this then I would love to see it. If our health system is not capable of handling 30 cases per day then I've got serious issues with where the government is investing tax payer money.

 

[souths_reborn]

I feel very conflicted about this.

On the one hand, I am very strict around pandemic rules. I hate seeing people flagrantly breaching lockdown rules, mask wearing etc. I was glad to see the fairly significant fines and the suspensions. I had been hoping the players would have the book thrown at them. Their actions could have significantly damaged the NRL season or worse had pandemic implications (it only takes the odd slip up to create a cluster).

BUT...

I think tearing up Vaughan's contract is too punitive, even with his previous record. I seriously hope that whoever is involved is keeping a close eye on the mental health aspects of all this. No matter your line of work, anyone who suddenly loses a job due to a personal stuff up would be stressed enough. Let alone to have it all play out publicly with everyone laying the boot in. There are WHS obligations that need to be adhered to.

And I'm sickened by the double standards of Fox. To hire a known workplace bully like Hadley is bad enough, but to have him lay into Vaughan on live television and take the high ground is very poor. The guy has just lost a multi million job that very afternoon - give him a break FFS! Hadley has done much worse over his career and gotten away with it.

I'm not defending the players but I think their logic would have been along the lines of: "We train together, play together, why can't we party together? None of us have Covid, we all get test regularly and we won't be amongst society. Seems like a no brainer." Like I said, its more of an explanation than a justification.

I also feel that the punishment was excessive. Previously players have had contracts torn up for incidents of the upmost severity, such as crimes against women, drug taking etc. Is what Paul Vaughan did really on that level? We saw on the weekend hundred of people outdoors in places like Centennial Park and Bondi not social distancing. I didn't see any condemnation to the same extent of those people. One final point to consider is that as part of the legal process for any crime, the direct impact of the offenders are actions are taken into account. This logic has obviously been absent in punishment handed down to Vaughan. Sure he could have damaged the NRL season and had pandemic implications but they didn't; that should have been taken into account.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

30 cases a day is a lot different to 700. I'm not against lockdowns; I'm against premature lockdowns. I've got no problems with implementing a lockdown if numbers continue to grow. What you need to remember is that businesses are going bankrupt because of this lockdown - I'm sure you would not wish that on anyone as well as in many instances these are people's livelihoods.

It is easy for everyone to jump up and down scream for a lockdown without taking into account how infeasible it is on a long-term basis given the financial ramifications at stake. The other thing that you need to take into account is that the government has not once come out and said how many cases per day our health system is capable of managing. If there is any quantitative data on this then I would love to see it. If our health system is not capable of handling 30 cases per day then I've got serious issues with where the government is investing tax payer money.

Mate 30 cases per day isn't a constant. Without containment measures it grows to 700 per day very quickly.

 

[Spanner in the works]

30 cases a day is a lot different to 700. I'm not against lockdowns; I'm against premature lockdowns. I've got no problems with implementing a lockdown if numbers continue to grow. What you need to remember is that businesses are going bankrupt because of this lockdown - I'm sure you would not wish that on anyone as well as in many instances these are people's livelihoods.

It is easy for everyone to jump up and down scream for a lockdown without taking into account how infeasible it is on a long-term basis given the financial ramifications at stake. The other thing that you need to take into account is that the government has not once come out and said how many cases per day our health system is capable of managing. If there is any quantitative data on this then I would love to see it. If our health system is not capable of handling 30 cases per day then I've got serious issues with where the government is investing tax payer money.

And taking your position brings substantially more virus cases; which brings harder, more widespread, and longer lockdowns; and therefore brings a greater number of businesses folding (not to mention the health system near or at collapse, as it almost did in the UK and for all intents and purposes did in India, plus everything else that goes with non-Mickey Mouse covid). You're really underestimating how quickly the situation can change - and how bloody lucky Australia has been in avoiding it in many ways.

I've seen this - lived through it in the UK - and I think anyone who wants to be weak on this kind of stuff or goes out and ignores directions set out by authorities and in law needs a wake up call.

 

[Spanner in the works]

Mate 30 cases per day isn't a constant. Without containment measures it grows to 700 per day very quickly.

6-8 weeks of unchecked growth gets us to around 8k cases per day if you take as a starting point cases double each week. 10 weeks is 30k per day.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

6-8 weeks of unchecked growth gets us to around 8k cases per day if you take as a starting point cases double each week. 10 weeks is 30k per day.

Exactly, it's spreads very quickly. So what's your answer other than a rapid lockdown for breakouts?

Edit: Sorry Spanner, jumped the gun and thought you were souths_reborn when replying.

 

[Chimp]

Let’s be right, the ONLY reason Vaughan has been sacked is that he has a player option for next year that he’s taken, at around $800k, which clearly given his form is probably more than double his actual worth.
It ain’t about culture or accountability, otherwise the other liars would also be out - he’s got that sanction based on the fact he’s now being paid massive overs.
Very smart business by the club - have used the circumstances to get the best outcome for the club and I don’t blame them one bit.
Making public his other ‘sexting’ indiscretion is a bit of a shitty move though - thrown him right under the bus with his Mrs no doubt (presuming she didn’t already know about it). Again, you reap what you sow; so he’s got what he deserved, but I’d say letting that sort of info out into public will not be helpful for future club/player relations.

 

[Tiger5150]

You know at the start of August last year, the UK had around 700 cases a day and by the end of the year it over 55k? Or that at the start of February, India had around 8k per day and by the start of May it had almost 400k? If we take as first principle that what Vaughan and co did is okay for everyone in society, we will soon be talking about a situation like that. Now I've lived in a country (the UK) when it's at its peak and out of control, and I can assure you that 1) you're wrong and 2) it's not something that you should wish on anyone else (which you are by taking that position).

Welcome to return to your News Limited/Government conspiracy shit.

You realise that the UK is getting 27000 new cases a day at the moment? With 86% of the population at least partially vaccinated and 63% fully vaccinated.

UKHSA data dashboard

Showing public health data across England

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

 

[Tiger5150]

Let’s be right, the ONLY reason Vaughan has been sacked is that he has a player option for next year that he’s taken, at around $800k, which clearly given his form is probably more than double his actual worth.
It ain’t about culture or accountability, otherwise the other liars would also be out - he’s got that sanction based on the fact he’s now being paid massive overs.
Very smart business by the club - have used the circumstances to get the best outcome for the club and I don’t blame them one bit.
Making public his other ‘sexting’ indiscretion is a bit of a shitty move though - thrown him right under the bus with his Mrs no doubt (presuming she didn’t already know about it). Again, you reap what you sow; so he’s got what he deserved, but I’d say letting that sort of info out into public will not be helpful for future club/player relations.

And he is a recidivist......not a purty word.

 

[souths_reborn]

6-8 weeks of unchecked growth gets us to around 8k cases per day if you take as a starting point cases double each week. 10 weeks is 30k per day.

What data are you basing your assertion that cases double each week on? In any case, as I said previously I'm not against lockdowns, just prematurely locking down. If cases rose to triple figures per day then I would definitely be looking at locking down. What the government is not telling you is that the lockdown is cost us $143 million per day. I know it just rolls of the tongue but that is a lot of money. Hence, every day that businesses are allowed to stay open is critical.

Another point to remember is that our state has stayed open and successfully managed a similar volume of cases previously. You want to avoid locking down as much as possible because not only does is create anxiety amongst the populous but it sets a precedent and ultimately becomes the norm. Hence, as soon as we get another minor outbreak people will be screaming for another lock down which is completely unrealistic.

 

[souths_reborn]

Exactly, it's spreads very quickly. So what's your answer other than a rapid lockdown for breakouts?

You introduce minor measures, such as social distancing, mandatory masks and working from home unless absolutely necessary. Furthermore, you need to allow a good 5-7 days for these initiatives to take affect. What you don't do is implement measures like this and then 24 hours later introduce a full scale lockdown.

 

[stryker]

You know at the start of August last year, the UK had around 700 cases a day and by the end of the year it over 55k? Or that at the start of February, India had around 8k per day and by the start of May it had almost 400k? If we take as first principle that what Vaughan and co did is okay for everyone in society, we will soon be talking about a situation like that. Now I've lived in a country (the UK) when it's at its peak and out of control, and I can assure you that 1) you're wrong and 2) it's not something that you should wish on anyone else (which you are by taking that position).

Welcome to return to your News Limited/Government conspiracy shit.

Well said.
Australians are far too blasé about this variant.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

You introduce minor measures, such as social distancing, mandatory masks and working from home unless absolutely necessary. Furthermore, you need to allow a good 5-7 days for these initiatives to take affect. What you don't do is implement measures like this and then 24 hours later introduce a full scale lockdown.

Isn't that what we have? It's not doors being sealed shut in Wuhan up on the northshore is it?

 

[shear_joy9]

Many people are going to disagree but in my opinion sacking a bloke for this is a massive overreaction. Yes he made a mistake but it is hardly the crime of the century. What we all need to remember is that there is a lot of sensationalism flying around with the ultimate aim of hyperbolising what occurred. Someone has already correctly pointed out that News Ltd shows and publications have buzz words which they use to amplify the egregiousness of the incident. This dovetails nicely with what the same rhetoric that the government is using in order to get people feeling scared about the pandemic and justify the need for a lockdown given that we only have something like 30 cases a day.

are you being intentionally dull? Vaughn has put the entire competition at risk after already f**king up earlier with another covid breach. His coach told the whole team clearly not to celebrate the win and the dumbass decides to host a party of 20+ people at his house. He 100% deserved to be sacked

 

[bileduct]

Who the f**k thought having Raaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy on NRL360 was a good idea?

This is the first episode I've watched since they brought him on and all he did was f**king moan the entire time. Nothing has changed with that piece of shit.

 

[souths_reborn]

are you being intentionally dull? Vaughn has put the entire competition at risk after already f**king up earlier with another covid breach. His coach told the whole team clearly not to celebrate the win and the dumbass decides to host a party of 20+ people at his house. He 100% deserved to be sacked

You've been brainwashed by too much News Ltd hyperbolic rhetoric. I'm not saying that he didn't deserve to be punished. However, in the NRL where losing your job equates with heinous crimes, such as rape, getting sacked over hosting a party where there were no ramifications just does not add up.

 

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[souths_reborn]

Isn't that what we have? It's not doors being sealed shut in Wuhan up on the northshore is it?

No its not! Look up the rules - only businesses that provide essential services remain open. Under minor restrictions all businesses would be able to remain open but with social distancing and mask wearing etc in place.