News Coronavirus and NRL

[souths_reborn]

You realise that the UK is getting 27000 new cases a day at the moment? With 86% of the population at least partially vaccinated and 63% fully vaccinated.

UKHSA data dashboard

Showing public health data across England

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Also, they plan on lifting all Covid restrictions by July, 19th.

 

[Thick Skinned Shark]

30 cases a day is a lot different to 700. I'm not against lockdowns; I'm against premature lockdowns. I've got no problems with implementing a lockdown if numbers continue to grow. What you need to remember is that businesses are going bankrupt because of this lockdown - I'm sure you would not wish that on anyone as well as in many instances these are people's livelihoods.

It is easy for everyone to jump up and down scream for a lockdown without taking into account how infeasible it is on a long-term basis given the financial ramifications at stake. The other thing that you need to take into account is that the government has not once come out and said how many cases per day our health system is capable of managing. If there is any quantitative data on this then I would love to see it. If our health system is not capable of handling 30 cases per day then I've got serious issues with where the government is investing tax payer money.

Questions not answered: How many cases are asystomatic?
How many actually needed hospitalisation? How many had already had the jab and still caught it? How many cycles over 30 does the PCR test operate at? How does a YES or NO nasal swab tell them it's the so called Covid Delta virus?
Why do we lockdown for a virus that you have a 99% survival rate ( even higher in Player age groups)?
Every business is 'essential' -To someones family!

 

[Thick Skinned Shark]

Also, they plan on lifting all Covid restrictions by July, 19th.

Then they can say sorry we stuffed up -cases are rising again because of the jab deniers so well have to shut everything down again in August. You watch!

 

[shear_joy9]

You've been brainwashed by too much News Ltd hyperbolic rhetoric. I'm not saying that he didn't deserve to be punished. However, in the NRL where losing your job equates with heinous crimes, such as rape, getting sacked over hosting a party where there were no ramifications just does not add up.

you don't happen to work at one of those alternative medicine/organic food stores do you?

the point has completely flown over your head. The nrl players have very strict guidelines they have to follow to ensure the competition can continue and the states allow teams to travel in and out. Vaughan has put it all at risk over his act of mind-numbing stupidity. Whether you think the rules are too strict or the lockdown isn't required is completely irrelevant. Vaughan knew the rules, broke them, then lied about it.

 

[souths_reborn]

Then they can say sorry we stuffed up -cases are rising again because of the jab deniers so well have to shut everything down again in August. You watch!

The whole jab-deniers thing is a cop out perpetuated by people who are frustrated by the government messing up the vaccine rollout. What they fail to take into account is how vaccinations actually work. Getting vaccinated does not prevent you from getting a disease. In a nutshell vaccinations "train" your immune system to fight off viruses and bacteria. Hence, even if you did get vaccinated you are still at risk of getting Covid.

 

[souths_reborn]

you don't happen to work at one of those alternative medicine/organic food stores do you?

the point has completely flown over your head. The nrl players have very strict guidelines they have to follow to ensure the competition can continue and the states allow teams to travel in and out. Vaughan has put it all at risk over his act of mind-numbing stupidity. Whether you think the rules are too strict or the lockdown isn't required is completely irrelevant. Vaughan knew the rules, broke them, then lied about it.

I don't but you could do with some to get you to see things in perspective.

I know what Paul Vaughan did and I understand the ramifications of what could have happened. I just flat out disagree that it is something that guy should lose his job over. I do not know how anyone can equate hosting a party during lockdown to some of the other egregious behaviour that we have seen players sacked for over the years.

People say that "he put the competition at risk" but for me that is a little bit of an exaggeration. Let just say that one of them did have Covid; the players are tested regularly and before every game which would have picked it up. The worst case scenario is that three quarters Dragons roster would have had to isolate and they field a team of reserve graders. Such a situation is not exactly unprecedented. The England Cricket Team has just had an outbreak that has decimated their team and their match is still going ahead. The has NBA coped all season with covid outbreaks among playing rosters.

I am not condoning what Paul Vaughan did. I am just refusing to buy into this whole News Ltd spiel perpetuated by drama queen journalists saying that they jeopardised the competition etc. I'm more annoyed at the fact that he broke the law than anything else.

 

[Perth Red]

Let’s not kid ourselves, Vaughn got the sack because
a) he has proven himself to be a repeat dckhead
b) he is on a big contract and isnt performing
c) he is 30 and only had one year left

It was very convenient for the dragons who I’m sure are pretty pleased they’ve been able to offload him a year earlier than expected. They’ll be looking for a good forward to sign on a three year contract for next season. I can see them going after finucane now they’ve got the big spare wad of cash in the cap.
the fact he and the other 12 have put the comp at risk to a very minor extent really has little to do with why they choose to sack him.

 

[souths_reborn]

Let’s not kid ourselves, Vaughn got the sack because
a) he has proven himself to be a repeat dckhead
b) he is on a big contract and isnt performing
c) he is 30 and only had one year left

It was very convenient for the dragons who I’m sure are pretty pleased they’ve been able to offload him a year earlier than expected. They’ll be looking for a good forward to sign on a three year contract for next season. I can see them going after finucane now they’ve got the big spare wad of cash in the cap.
the fact he and the other 12 have put the comp at risk to a very minor extent really has little to do with why they choose to sack him.

I can buy this a whole lot more than I can him “endangering the competition”. I find it absolutely staggering that hardly anyone has highlighted the fact that Vaughan’s sacking coincides with Dragons going through a major clean out.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Let’s not kid ourselves, Vaughn got the sack because
a) he has proven himself to be a repeat dckhead
b) he is on a big contract and isnt performing
c) he is 30 and only had one year left

It was very convenient for the dragons who I’m sure are pretty pleased they’ve been able to offload him a year earlier than expected. They’ll be looking for a good forward to sign on a three year contract for next season. I can see them going after finucane now they’ve got the big spare wad of cash in the cap.
the fact he and the other 12 have put the comp at risk to a very minor extent really has little to do with why they choose to sack him.

Definitely some accuracy to this, they probably wanted him gone and he gave them a gilt edged reason to sack him. If Nathan Cleary were to reoffend I would bet Penrith would hang on to him.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I'm not defending the players but I think their logic would have been along the lines of: "We train together, play together, why can't we party together? None of us have Covid, we all get test regularly and we won't be amongst society. Seems like a no brainer." Like I said, its more of an explanation than a justification.

I also feel that the punishment was excessive. Previously players have had contracts torn up for incidents of the upmost severity, such as crimes against women, drug taking etc. Is what Paul Vaughan did really on that level? We saw on the weekend hundred of people outdoors in places like Centennial Park and Bondi not social distancing. I didn't see any condemnation to the same extent of those people. One final point to consider is that as part of the legal process for any crime, the direct impact of the offenders are actions are taken into account. This logic has obviously been absent in punishment handed down to Vaughan. Sure he could have damaged the NRL season and had pandemic implications but they didn't; that should have been taken into account.

Players often have no logic, they're f**king imbeciles. That's why they have to be told over and over. That's why they need rules, to stop them doing stupid shit. Oh hell, they WERE told on the weekend. And they still did it. Vaughan's been warned before, yet he went at it.

It means f**k all that it didn't have wider pandemic implications. We had a situation in NZ where a guy was showing symptoms, had clear links to existing cases, later tested positive and went to a gym, food court etc. Sent the region into lockdown. It's just f**king stupid and I don't know how people don't realise how serious it is.

Oh yeah, and it's absolutely ruined the Dragons' season. So all things told, the fact that Vaughan has previous form and yeah they were potentially looking to offload him anyway, he's gone. Tough shit. They should punt JDB too. What a sub-par human being he is.

 

[Chimp]

Just on the U.K (I live in England)… yes there are nearly 30k cases a day still, but the big change is pre-vaccine roll out, the average age of those catching it and being ill was 67. As a result of the vaccine roll out strategy starting with clinically vulnerable and then old age downwards, the average age of those testing positive now is 24 - because everyone over 40 is double jabbed. That age difference is why daily deaths are currently only just on double figures (compared to over 1k per day at the height) and hospitalised numbers are well down also. Most of the ones dying are actually people who’ve been jabbed, but that’s to be expected as vaccine isn’t 100%, plus the deaths are anyone who dies with 30 days of a positive result, so not all deaths are Covid anyway.

I share al of this to hopefully enlighten the idiots (though I don’t think any facts will enlighten them, as they’re not open to considering their initial response might be wrong) that think vaccines aren’t required or that Covid isn’t that serious and is just flu. I’ve lost 3 members of my family to COVID, all of whom were in their 50s and previously perfectly healthy - 2 of them died alone, gasping for their last breaths whilst having not seen a single family member in over 2 weeks - thankfully they were unconscious so we like to think weren’t aware, but they essentially drowned, and in the lead up to being put on ventilators, were laid in bed, on their own, unable to get enough breath…. Think about that for a second you absolute selfish dicks.

Yes, the players are highly unlikely to get seriously ill if they did catch Covid, but that’s not the point. They could pass it on to someone who would get seriously ill (for instance with the Dragons, their coach), and also, if people see them not taking it serious and going and partying, they might decide to follow their lead…. There is a wider social responsibility - unfortunately many people of this day and age are far too selfish to give a rats…. They fancy a beer with their mates, and they’re gonna be fine, so why not….. dicks

 

[Spanner in the works]

You realise that the UK is getting 27000 new cases a day at the moment? With 86% of the population at least partially vaccinated and 63% fully vaccinated.

UKHSA data dashboard

Showing public health data across England

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

You realise that the number of deaths per day has collapsed as a result of them taking covid? This is the point right. Right now, Australia has utterly blown the vaccine rollout, and so we're still largely stuck in the early 2020 situation where if and when it runs rampant, our entire economy and health system is at stake. The UK has deferred a lot of that risk, at least for the duration of the vaccine's effectiveness, because 1) the country worked out that having the PM cancel Christmas means there is an actual, serious, problem and 2) they realised that getting a vaccine was actually a race because the alternative (a non-vaccinated populace) was a f**ked up situation.

And this is my point of why we need to be so strident on our penalties and punishments: Australia is still badly vulnerable to covid. If we don't go hard on this the entire country goes through hell, including the competition, and I'm not sure clubs will survive considering the government pretty well blew its load on government spending to prop up the economy.

If you want to blame someone, blame the PM for buying only a few vaccine types and perpetuating that shit argument that we're not in a race.

 

[Spanner in the works]

What data are you basing your assertion that cases double each week on? In any case, as I said previously I'm not against lockdowns, just prematurely locking down. If cases rose to triple figures per day then I would definitely be looking at locking down. What the government is not telling you is that the lockdown is cost us $143 million per day. I know it just rolls of the tongue but that is a lot of money. Hence, every day that businesses are allowed to stay open is critical.

Another point to remember is that our state has stayed open and successfully managed a similar volume of cases previously. You want to avoid locking down as much as possible because not only does is create anxiety amongst the populous but it sets a precedent and ultimately becomes the norm. Hence, as soon as we get another minor outbreak people will be screaming for another lock down which is completely unrealistic.

So 11 days in the UK - doesn't matter if it's slightly different, simply for the fact that in just a few months we could be dealing with thousands of cases every day.

Can you tell how many millions a day it will cost if we have a more massive and stricter lockdown? Can you tell me what the total cost will be if it lasts for several months?

 

[stryker]

I don't but you could do with some to get you to see things in perspective.

I know what Paul Vaughan did and I understand the ramifications of what could have happened. I just flat out disagree that it is something that guy should lose his job over. I do not know how anyone can equate hosting a party during lockdown to some of the other egregious behaviour that we have seen players sacked for over the years.

People say that "he put the competition at risk" but for me that is a little bit of an exaggeration. Let just say that one of them did have Covid; the players are tested regularly and before every game which would have picked it up. The worst case scenario is that three quarters Dragons roster would have had to isolate and they field a team of reserve graders. Such a situation is not exactly unprecedented. The England Cricket Team has just had an outbreak that has decimated their team and their match is still going ahead. The has NBA coped all season with covid outbreaks among playing rosters.

I am not condoning what Paul Vaughan did. I am just refusing to buy into this whole News Ltd spiel perpetuated by drama queen journalists saying that they jeopardised the competition etc. I'm more annoyed at the fact that he broke the law than anything else.

Ok, you have stated your case and argued your point.
Most do not agree with you, so now you are just boring us all.

 

[League Unlimited News]

If you wish to discuss COVID as a virus - lockdown efficacy, vaccine rollout etc please head to 4 Corners.

Keep this thread for discussion on NRL impacts only.

 

[Canard]

Vaughn will get another contract in 2022, so all the angst about him getting the sack for being a dickhead repeatedly is bizarre.

It was a f**king stupid thing to do, and it's damaged the image of our great game and put the competition in jeopardy.

I don't give a f**k about your personal politics and your view about the pandemic as a whole, beyond that.

 

[Pretty Penny]

Vaughn loses about a million dollars on this and his next contract will be at a reduced rate because of past indiscretions so he will be hurt financially in a substantial way.

 

[Canard]

Vaughn loses about a million dollars on this and his next contract will be at a reduced rate because of past indiscretions so he will be hurt financially in a substantial way.

Talk shit, get hit, I say.

 

[Pretty Penny]

Agreed, the level of arrogance he showed was preposterous.

 

[soc123_au]

It would have been interesting for JDB if he was facing a third trial for the other incident. His credibility has come down a few pegs.