Crowd Watch 2012 Mk II

[Cletus]

Yes they are, as they have done with Swans and Lions, but they see the long term investment reaping more than it costs. I have no idea if they will be right or wrong but I do applaud them at least trying to spread their game and have a much stronger capital city presence. We are still trying to play catch up from the disaster of 1996 and have spent 15 years pretty much negelcting any area outside the heartlands. Even Victoria still receives very little funding for grass roots and Jnr development.

It is hardly marketing rocket science to offer free or discount products for a new business trying to build a customer base.

The advantage we have is we actually have people in places like Perth, Melbourne and Darwin that want to go to games. Doesn't mean to say we shouldn't be doing as much as we can to fill stadiums in those areas, especially targetting potential new fans to the game.

Both the Swans and Lions have significant memberships in Melbourne to support them. They also got the support of local AFL fans. The Suns do have a fanbase in the Gold Coast, but the GWS really don't have a significant fan base to support them. They've got some turncoats from the Swans and a bunch of 3 game members in Canberra and no identity know they've abandoned Penrith. The Gold Coast will cost the AFL plenty, but I doubt GWS will ever be able to support themselves.

 

[Perth Red]

and again from an investment on return point of view that might not matter. Why do you think the ARLC is funding Storm $4.5mill extra a year? It's because they know that those 100-500k Victorian viewers that will tune in to NRL as they now have a team in their city are worth a lot more $'s in media and sponsorship deals. AFL see it the same way with Sydney. It has been mentioned a 1000 times that Sydney is the most valuable marketing popualtion in the country. AFL are not stupid, despite most one eyed RL fans thining they are. They have done the sums and are looking to the next 20-30years+ not what they are paying for it now, which they can afford due to having major capital city teams already in place.

Back on topic of crowds, would you be critical of the NRL if they were subsidising ticket prices for clubs, if they were subsidising so all kids got in for $5, if they were giving free tickets away that meant we got 45K to games at ANZ instead of 19K, if they were subsidising travel so it was included in your ticket price, if they were subsidising memberships so every fan could afford to be a member? I know I wouldn't if we had the $'s available!

 

[Cletus]

and again from an investment on return point of view that might not matter. Why do you think the ARLC is funding Storm $4.5mill extra a year? It's because they know that those 100-500k Victorian viewers that will tune in to NRL as they now have a team in their city are worth a lot more $'s in media and sponsorship deals. AFL see it the same way with Sydney. It has been mentioned a 1000 times that Sydney is the most valuable marketing popualtion in the country. AFL are not stupid, despite most one eyed RL fans thining they are. They have done the sums and are looking to the next 20-30years+ not what they are paying for it now, which they can afford due to having major capital city teams already in place.

Back on topic of crowds, would you be critical of the NRL if they were subsidising ticket prices for clubs, if they were subsidising so all kids got in for $5, if they were giving free tickets away that meant we got 45K to games at ANZ instead of 19K, if they were subsidising travel so it was included in your ticket price, if they were subsidising memberships so every fan could afford to be a member? I know I wouldn't if we had the $'s available!

But you wouldn't introduce another club into Melbourne though would you? There is a demand for an AFL club in Sydney and a league club in Melbourne but there isn't enough support for another one and that's the point, there has to be some sort of organic support for a team. I wouldn't care if the ARL had to subsidise Perth either but I'd be spitting chips if the ARL put another team in Melbourne thinking that it will get support in 20 years.
And I'm sure the AFL did do the sums but they would have been very optomistic and I think they would be shocked by how little interest there is in GWS.

 

[Brutus]

Yes it is a bad thing. A new Club usually has a big year for crowds before the novelty wears off. Surely you knew that.

The AFL are going to have to throw 100s of millions at this Club. It is a pending disaster.

Gws didn't attract 22k. The Swans did. Their lowest ever crowd for an AFL premierhip match at Homebush

 

[Saint Doc]

Looks good in NZ

 

[Cliffhanger]

15,374

 

[dragons__]

13,096 at anz.. crap

 

[M2D2]

Sunday arvo, Perfect weather. I would say no excuses, but i had free entry and just went "nah, cant be bothered". :lol:

 

[Perth Red]

Crowds are going nowhere at the moment. Hopefully with some money behind them the NRL can do something about it soon.

 

[M2D2]

Unless more money in the game = less expensive tickets. No money behind the NRL will result in drastic crowd increases.

 

[the dude]

Crowds will pickup again in a couple of weeks. Blast this origin period

 

[Perth Red]

Unless more money in the game = less expensive tickets. No money behind the NRL will result in drastic crowd increases.

Disagree, more money =
Better promotion leading to more interest
Subsidized tickets and memberships
Fixed scheduling
Special promotions

All have the potential of lifting crowds but I think the overall marketing and promotion of the comp along with the buzz of expansion will hopefully see us move forward to the 20k avg

 

[Timmah]

As the Bulldogs have had a 12k crowd I'm loathe to comment but the Bunnies are really running out of excuses for these sorts of attendances. A Sunday arvo, missing only one key player through Origin duty when they're in form really warrants a better crowd than 13096.

 

[Perth Red]

Must have been at least 1000 panthers/neutrals. So that's at best 12,000 sth's fans. How many ticketed members do they have?

 

[papabear]

Souths need to get redfern oval up and going again, play 3 or 4 big matches out at anz if they want get some big stands at redfern oval they will get 15k with ease every game.

 

[Perth Red]

As one of Sydney's big clubs they should be aiming for a lot more than 15k!

 

[Evenflow]

As the Bulldogs have had a 12k crowd I'm loathe to comment but

......but you will anyway :lol: You're such a massive hypocrite Tim Tam. On numerous occasions you've had a crack at others for having a go at low crowds but on just as many occasions you've had a crack at certain crowds/teams yourself.

I have no issue with anyone criticizing certain crowds because many times it's warranted, but don't just pick and choose when it suits you and dependent on your own bias/agenda.

 

[M2D2]

Disagree, more money =
Better promotion leading to more interest
Subsidized tickets and memberships
Fixed scheduling
Special promotions

Point 1 wont make a difference. Points 2 & 4 = Cheaper tickets. Point 3 wont change anything for some clubs.

 

[Timmah]

......but you will anyway :lol: You're such a massive hypocrite Tim Tam. On numerous occasions you've had a crack at others for having a go at low crowds but on just as many occasions you've had a crack at certain crowds/teams yourself.

I have no issue with anyone criticizing certain crowds because many times it's warranted, but don't just pick and choose when it suits you and dependent on your own bias/agenda.

Difference being the Bulldogs have LESS members but a HIGHER home crowd average than South Sydney and have done so for years. f**kwit.

 

[dangerousdave]

Souths need to get redfern oval up and going again, play 3 or 4 big matches out at anz if they want get some big stands at redfern oval they will get 15k with ease every game.

Seen redfern oval lately? To get anything like a 20k+ capacity would require a total rebuild. Minimum cost of $100 mil. Then there are all the other issues.

Seriously though, they should be based at the sfs