Crowd Watch 2013

[The Voice of Reason!]

You claimed that something had to be proved to be a fact, I demonstrated that your assertion was clearly untrue.

Your counter point was irrelevant because you used it to assert that I was wrong because people have assumed things to be facts when they weren't but I also showed that the circumstances that could disprove my hypothesis were outside the realms of possibility.

You said something could be believed but just because it was unproven it didn't make it false. I said something could be believed but just because it was unproven it didn't make it true.

Funny how only half of that is relevant.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

So where were the Crushers from? They went well

The Crushers were in Super League? How interesting.

 

[firechild]

I note the shifting ground, by the way. Originally you said that Sydneysiders were statistically more likely to go to games. When I nixed that, you have shifted the argument so that THIS is the only way to make a claim.

And you wonder why I make the Bolt/Jones connection.

Meanwhile, where have I made the "absolute claim to superior attendance"? I assume you are misquoting me again.

My argument did not shift at all. My wording did but what I described was exactly the same. You nixed nothing, I maintain that more people in Sydney attend rugby league games than do people of Brisbane.

 

[firechild]

You said something could be believed but just because it was unproven it didn't make it false. I said something could be believed but just because it was unproven it didn't make it true.

Funny how only half of that is relevant.

I just explained this. The data demonstrates that your assumption is incorrect.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

The point is not about the size of the catchment in relation to distance though. The catchments are relevance because people living in Penrith are likely to have no interest in attending the game at Brookvale, nor will people in Manly be interested in attending the game in Penrith unless their own team is playing. In contrast the support for the Broncos is relatively evenly distributed amongst the 2.1mill catchment.

So everybody who supports a Sydney team lives in a "catchment"? Want to give me some statistics for that?

And do you want to show that Brisbane's fans a equally distributed? Hint: it isn't so. I would love to see how you back up your assertion that there are as many Broncos fans in Hamilton as there are in Ipswich! :lol:

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

My argument did not shift at all. My wording did but what I described was exactly the same. You nixed nothing, I maintain that more people in Sydney attend rugby league games than do people of Brisbane.

Exhibit A: Argument: Sydneysiders are statistically more likely to attend an NRL game.

Statistically Sydneysiders are far more likely to attend an NRL game than people of Brisbane. No matter how you want to spin your numbers this remains a fact.

"Oh wait, I didn't say that..."

Exhibit B: Argument: NRL crowds in Sydney in absolute terms are greater than Brisbane.

I gave you the numbers, the only way for Brisbane to have an absolute claim to superior attendance is if Sydneysiders that attended NRL games attended 4 times as many as Brisbane residents that attend NRL games. Even you, despite all your spin could not possibly attempt to argue that is the case. Play semantics, call it an assertion but the numbers indicate that I am correct.

It is not semantics. The former, by the nature of the assertion, requires data about the number of unique attendees. The latter only requires announced crowd figures.

Your wording and meaning changed.

 

[Perth Red]

Are you suggesting Manly to Penrith is 40min? Are you also suggesting that people be just as willing to travel from one side of Sydney to watch a game that their team is not playing in as people in Brisbane traveling to watch their own team?

I'm suggesting that it is hypocritical to suggest a centralised stadium policy for NRL in Sydney wouldn't work due to fans not being around the corner from the local ground but then suggesting that all of the 2.1million people in the Greater Brisbane catchment area should be ok with travelling to a centralised stadium.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

"There are as many Broncos fans in Hamilton and Ascot as there are in Kingston and Kippa Ring."

 

[franklin2323]

The Crushers were in Super League? How interesting.

No but they lasted long. I know your a RU troll Ron but the purpose of SL was exactly what PR said to many Sydney teams. Less teams better quality games etc. I theory a good plan only that the love of the Magpies etc allowed the Broncos etc to enter the comp

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

I just explained this. The data demonstrates that your assumption is incorrect.

Pray tell, what is my assumption?

 

[firechild]

So everybody who supports a Sydney team lives in a "catchment"? Want to give me some statistics for that?

And do you want to show that Brisbane's fans a equally distributed? Hint: it isn't so. I would love to see how you back up your assertion that there are as many Broncos fans in Hamilton as there are in Ipswich! :lol:

No, there are many fans of opposition teams within each teams catchments. Overall they are reasonable numbers to work with though. After all, there are Brisbane, Newcastle, Melbourne, NZ, Canberra and Titans fans in Sydney and there are fans of all clubs in Brisbane. The fact remains that this is the population that a club represents.

I didn't say the distributed was absolutely equal, I said it was reasonable well distributed in that the vast majority of rugby league fans in both Hamilton and Ipswich will be Broncos fans. Would you not agree with this? In fact, greater population density is likely to be closer to Suncorp given its location within Brisbane.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

No but they lasted long. I know your a RU troll Ron but the purpose of SL was exactly what PR said to many Sydney teams. Less teams better quality games etc. I theory a good plan only that the love of the Magpies etc allowed the Broncos etc to enter the comp

I am glad that you think I am arguing for rugby union or for axing Sydney teams. I am not. I am simply pointing out (quite successfully given the 2GB alliance here) Brisbane's crowds are objectively good and that some (certainly not all) Sydney crowds are objectively bad. And to be honest the second point is ancillary to the first.

 

[firechild]

I'm suggesting that it is hypocritical to suggest a centralised stadium policy for NRL in Sydney wouldn't work due to fans not being around the corner from the local ground but then suggesting that all of the 2.1million people in the Greater Brisbane catchment area should be ok with travelling to a centralised stadium.

It might be hypocritical but I never said that so your argument is irrelevant. I have no doubt that if there were 4 different stadiums representing 4 different teams in Brisbane the total number of attendances would increase even if the number of attendances per match were to drop.

 

[firechild]

Pray tell, what is my assumption?

Your assumption is that Brisbane has better NRL attendance than Sydney.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

Here we go again. Meanwhile,
- ignoring that you have misquoted me twice today,
- ignoring that if you don't like a point you will simply label it "irrelevant",
- ignoring that if you want to make a point you will label it "a fact" and hang demonstration

Meanwhile...

I didn't say the distributed was absolutely equal, I said it was reasonable well distributed in that the vast majority of rugby league fans in both Hamilton and Ipswich will be Broncos fans. Would you not agree with this?

You're making the assertions, not me. Want to back it up with something, or is this another gut instinct "fact" that no one can deny?

In fact, greater population density is likely to be closer to Suncorp given its location within Brisbane.

If you're saying that Ascot and Hamilton are closer to Suncorp than Ipswich, therefore, they have a higher density of Broncos supporters, I would REALLY like to see your research.

Sounds like just another person NOT from Brisbane telling us how things should be.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

Your assumption is that Brisbane has better NRL attendance than Sydney.

And where did I say that?

Or is this misquote number three for the day?

 

[cleary89]

Tl;dr

Voice of reason is annoying as hadley and pr. Congrats

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

Tl;dr

Voice of reason is annoying as hadley and pr. Congrats

Don't bash Sydney, whatever you do. :roll:

Notwithstanding that I have been repeatedly misquoted and that my actual points are continually ignored, provided that you can resort to calling someone and idiot or annoying then all is good.

 

[franklin2323]

I am glad that you think I am arguing for rugby union or for axing Sydney teams. I am not. I am simply pointing out (quite successfully given the 2GB alliance here) Brisbane's crowds are objectively good and that some (certainly not all) Sydney crowds are objectively bad. And to be honest the second point is ancillary to the first.

Some teams do have terrible crowds no doubt. Though as a whole Sydney is fine 100k over 4 games is decent. We ave 17k in 03,04 yet got 8181 on Sunday. The NRL want to lift ave find out where the 9k went.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

Some teams do have terrible crowds no doubt. Though as a whole Sydney is fine 100k over 4 games is decent. We ave 17k in 03,04 yet got 8181 on Sunday. The NRL want to lift ave find out where the 9k went.

To recap: my defence here this season is that Brisbane's crowds are good, and that those such as Raiderbolt who claim otherwise are wrong to say that they are pathetic.

Collateral to that claim one has to compare objectively smaller crowds with larger ones. If the NRL can get rid of the smaller crowds we will be laughing.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if some people wouldn't rather get rid of our best supported team and wallow in mediocrity instead.