Crowd Watch 2013

[The Voice of Reason!]

The fact Brisbane can't convert its monopoly into bigger crowds screams second team to you does it?

A demonstrably false statement given that the trend over the last decade is to double Brisbane crowds.

 

[firechild]

The corollary of this statement is that it was believed to be a fact that ether was the substance through which electro-magnetic waves moved. And this turned out to be false.

Just because you believe something to be true doesn't make it true. If you are going to go down that path we may as well be debating creationism or climate change with Andrew Bolt.

None of that nonsense has any relevance here. Unless it can be demonstrated that there are 16,000 people going to 4 games over a single weekend (the many occurrences of crowds greater than this number and concurrently run games make this impossible) then it should be accepted as fact.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

Nice to know half your argument is based on personal attacks. Keep up the good work. :thumb

No, that is the modus operandi of...

Yeah the idiot has no idea. 100k last weekend watch NRL. 40k in Brisbane. This weekend 0 in Brisbane 40k+ in Sydney. You can't spin the numbers

Not that I want to question of the outstanding intellect of the argument that says "there were zero games in Brisbane therefore they are poor rugby league supporters". Who could spin that outstanding argument?

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

Great Idea lets call it Super League

Which had, if I recall, multiple Sydney teams and one Brisbane team?

Fail, franklin, fail!

 

[firechild]

The question was this: what geographical region are you nominating for this population of 2.1 million? For instance, are you saying it is Beenleigh to Redlciffe? Yatala to Caboolture?

I am not familiar with the geography of the area but the Australian bureau of statistics had Brisbane at over 2.1mill in 2011.

 

[Perth Red]

The fact Brisbane can't convert its monopoly into bigger crowds screams second team to you does it?

I thought the two opposing argumenta were
1. the more teams in area the more people overall will attend NRL
2. the more teams in an area the less people per team will go to that teams games

Happy balance, more teams in areas with few teams, less teams in areas with heaps of teams.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

None of that nonsense has any relevance here. Unless it can be demonstrated that there are 16,000 people going to 4 games over a single weekend (the many occurrences of crowds greater than this number and concurrently run games make this impossible) then it should be accepted as fact.

Riiiiiigggghhhhhtttttt.

So you can engage in logical fallacies, and if you are called out on it then it is of "no relevance"? Meanwhile, you can claim what you like "because it's a fact and I know it is"?

:lol:

 

[firechild]

It's a personal attack to point out that I was misquoted? Pretty low threshold for "personal attack" there, champ.

I wasn't just referring to 1 response. The 2GB and Bolt references were just the most prevalent when I was making my comment.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

I am not familiar with the geography of the area but the Australian bureau of statistics had Brisbane at over 2.1mill in 2011.

So you are happy to assert who should go to a game regardless of where they might live, but will defend the definition of comparatively tiny "catchments" by which Sydney crowds must be judged?

Hypocritical, much?

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

I wasn't just referring to 1 response. The 2GB and Bolt references were just the most prevalent when I was making my comment.

And which bit of that is the personal attack?

I am highlighting (a) the logical fallacies, and misuse of statistics, that you are engaging in, and (b) doing so by comparing those tactics to two of their best known practitioners in the contemporary Australian media.

If you don't want to be compared to them, don't use their tactics. Simple.

 

[Perth Red]

ABS: STATE SUMMARY

At June 2011, the estimated resident population of Western Australia (WA) was 2.35 million people, which represented 11% of the total Australian population. WA's population increased by 24% (or 451,100 people) in the ten years to 2011. This was the fastest growth of all the states and territories, and much higher than the national figure of 15%.

SA2 POPULATION CHANGE, Western Australia - 2001-11

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POPULATION CHANGE IN GREATER PERTH

At June 2011, the population of Greater Perth was 1.83 million people, which was 78% of the state's total population. Between 2001 and 2011, Greater Perth increased by 380,100 people, or 26%. This was the fastest growth of all capital cities in Australia.

and still no team!

 

[firechild]

Riiiiiigggghhhhhtttttt.

So you can engage in logical fallacies, and if you are called out on it then it is of "no relevance"? Meanwhile, you can claim what you like "because it's a fact and I know it is"?

:lol:

Discussions of creationism and electro-magnetic waves have absolutely no relevance to a discussion regarding NRL crowds.

I gave you the numbers, the only way for Brisbane to have an absolute claim to superior attendance is if Sydneysiders that attended NRL games attended 4 times as many as Brisbane residents that attend NRL games. Even you, despite all your spin could not possibly attempt to argue that is the case. Play semantics, call it an assertion but the numbers indicate that I am correct.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

Discussions of creationism and electro-magnetic waves have absolutely no relevance to a discussion regarding NRL crowds.

But you discussing the flat earth theory was perfectly relevant?

Hypocritical, much?

 

[firechild]

So you are happy to assert who should go to a game regardless of where they might live, but will defend the definition of comparatively tiny "catchments" by which Sydney crowds must be judged?

Hypocritical, much?

The point is not about the size of the catchment in relation to distance though. The catchments are relevance because people living in Penrith are likely to have no interest in attending the game at Brookvale, nor will people in Manly be interested in attending the game in Penrith unless their own team is playing. In contrast the support for the Broncos is relatively evenly distributed amongst the 2.1mill catchment.

 

[franklin2323]

Which had, if I recall, multiple Sydney teams and one Brisbane team?

Fail, franklin, fail!

So where were the Crushers from? They went well

 

[Perth Red]

The point is not about the size of the catchment in relation to distance though. The catchments are relevance because people living in Penrith are likely to have no interest in attending the game at Brookvale, nor will people in Manly be interested in attending the game in Penrith unless their own team is playing. In contrast the support for the Broncos is relatively evenly distributed amongst the 2.1mill catchment.

If Sydney fans are not willing to travel 40mins to see a game, what makes you think Brisbane fans will?

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

I gave you the numbers, the only way for Brisbane to have an absolute claim to superior attendance is if Sydneysiders that attended NRL games attended 4 times as many as Brisbane residents that attend NRL games. Even you, despite all your spin could not possibly attempt to argue that is the case. Play semantics, call it an assertion but the numbers indicate that I am correct.

I note the shifting ground, by the way. Originally you said that Sydneysiders were statistically more likely to go to games. When I nixed that, you have shifted the argument so that THIS is the only way to make a claim.

And you wonder why I make the Bolt/Jones connection.

Meanwhile, where have I made the "absolute claim to superior attendance"? I assume you are misquoting me again.

 

[firechild]

But you discussing the flat earth theory was perfectly relevant?

Hypocritical, much?

You claimed that something had to be proved to be a fact, I demonstrated that your assertion was clearly untrue.

Your counter point was irrelevant because you used it to assert that I was wrong because people have assumed things to be facts when they weren't but I also showed that the circumstances that could disprove my hypothesis were outside the realms of possibility.

 

[franklin2323]

If Sydney fans are not willing to travel 40mins to see a game, what makes you think Brisbane fans will?

Because we can wait a week and it's closer. In Brisbane you want to watch you go to Suncorp

 

[firechild]

If Sydney fans are not willing to travel 40mins to see a game, what makes you think Brisbane fans will?

Are you suggesting Manly to Penrith is 40min? Are you also suggesting that people be just as willing to travel from one side of Sydney to watch a game that their team is not playing in as people in Brisbane traveling to watch their own team?