Crowd Watch Thread 2009

[Sam I Am]

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Although this is pretty poor, I thought that it looked bigger on TV.

 

[Red Bear]

thats pretty mediocre

 

[Timmah]

Well, I can tell you there are plenty of people in Atherton who drive down for every match (4.5 hour drive). There *may* be some people who drive that far regularly to see Sydney teams, but I doubt there are many. There are people who come from the Isa, which is about as far as Tweed Heads to Sydney. I am sure there are no fans *that* dedicated to Sydney clubs.

Plenty? :? How can you quantify that with any real statistic? I know of "plenty" of people who travel as far as Newcastle to Wollongong 6 times a year... and vice versa. Why are they any lesser fans?

Although this is pretty poor, I thought that it looked bigger on TV.

Definitely agreed. I sat in the Northern Stand last night and the hill was pretty chock-a-block in the middle, and all stands bar the northeast corner and parts of the southern were full.

 

[Sam I Am]

Plenty? :? How can you quantify that with any real statistic? I know of "plenty" of people who travel as far as Newcastle to Wollongong 6 times a year... and vice versa. Why are they any lesser fans?

I don't think they are lesser fans, I just don't think there are as many of them. That said, it is probably only the clubs in question that have those stats, and I don't know what they are.

So I guess it's a moot point.

 

[_Johnsy]

I am sure there are no fans *that* dedicated to Sydney clubs.

Well you'd be wrong. I am more than 10 hours drive north of Kogarah and I get to at least 6 games a year. I'd love to be close enough to drive a measly 4.5 hours away from sydney home games.

 

[Sam I Am]

Well you'd be wrong. I am more than 10 hours drive north of Kogarah and I get to at least 6 games a year. I'd love to be close enough to drive a measly 4.5 hours away from sydney home games.

I stand corrected!

And good on you.

 

[_Johnsy]

I stand corrected!

And good on you.

No probs sam, I know of many st george fans who travel from SE QLD to at least a handfull of games (sometimes up to 10) in sydney each year to support the big red V.

 

[Timmah]

I don't think they are lesser fans, I just don't think there are as many of them. That said, it is probably only the clubs in question that have those stats, and I don't know what they are.

So I guess it's a moot point.

Correct, it is. Populations alone make it a moot point.

 

[Sam I Am]

Correct, it is. Populations alone make it a moot point.

The moot point was that since we don't have access to these statistics there is no point in basing anything much on them.

What on earth that has to do with populations is beyond me, but as I noted in another thread that if you are going on per capita fans than Townsville gives it to Sydney on a platter.

 

[Timmah]

No, nothing to do with per capita. The point becomes moot because there are so many fans within vicinity of Sydney.

You still ignore facts that more people attend RL in Sydney than anywhere else. But by all means, keep arguing the toss. Hopefully someone sits your down again, troll.

 

[Sam I Am]

No, nothing to do with per capita. The point becomes moot because there are so many fans within vicinity of Sydney.

You still ignore facts that more people attend RL in Sydney than anywhere else. But by all means, keep arguing the toss. Hopefully someone sits your down again, troll.

You don't actually know what per capita means, do you?

You have just said that it has nothing to do with it... and in the very next sentence relied on that argument.

*yawn* Here we go again...

 

[Timmah]

:lol:

The reason per capita scaling is irrelevant is because NQ is one town with one team, Sydney is one town with eight teams. Automatically any comparisons are skewed. You think it's fair game to compare say NQ's crowds with the Dragons or Brisbane's with Cronulla.

These one town teams are always going to draw higher crowds because they have less footy to attend. People in Townsville see 12 games of NRL a year. A minimum 960 minutes.

People in Sydney see roughly 8 times that. About 7680 minutes of footy.

With more choice and less chance of missing seeing a game through the year, of course individual club crowds in Sydney are going to be lower than individual club crowds in one-town-teams.

While successful clubs and marquee matches can up Sydney crowd figures, on average at an individual level these crowds are, believe it or not, healthy. At the end of the day the Sydney basin could stand to lose one to two teams, but realistically no teams need go under. The last five years has seen an improvement in crowd figures both in Sydney and by-and-large around the country.

Instead, you see fit to bring doom-and-gloom and use every opportunity to attack Sydney. No doubt you'll say "I just want to see RL prosper", but your attitude speaks volumes in another way.

 

[God-King Dean]

Gee, that's a disappointing crowd.

 

[Perth Red]

:lol:


While successful clubs and marquee matches can up Sydney crowd figures, on average at an individual level these crowds are, believe it or not, healthy.
.

That depends if average crowds of 12-15,000 and aprox 10-12,000 home fans is actually enough to run a $15million+ NRL team. As stated many times Sydney clubs have had the pokies for easy money and haven't relied on crowds, that has now changed so over the next 5 years we will see if A) Sydney clubs can attract better crowds/better stadium deals and B) if they can attract a big enough supporter base to keep themselves financially viable without holding the NRL back to the lowest denominator.

 

[Timmah]

I think it's a matter of time before we see an AFL-style consolidation of grounds, with 75% of Sydney teams playing out of the SFS & ANZ.

 

[Perth Red]

Probably true but you can probably throw Parra stadium in there as well, it is the 3rd best stadium in Sydney and I'm surprised some other teams don't play more there. Maybe they need to rename it a neutral name and have less linkage to the Eeels making it feel more of a neutral ground.

If all teams played out of ANZ, SFS or Parra who would be most logical to play where and would fans accept it?

 

[Red Bear]

I suspect it is inevitable it will happen eventually (unfortunately, because it takes much of the rivalry out of the game), however i think its quite a few years off yet.

Logically you would have Easts, Cronulla, Souths, Saints and maybe Manly at the SFS
The rest at ANZ.

But Manly would be difficult to work and how long Cronulla survive is anyones guess.

 

[Chook Norris]

can't see much of a crowd tonight, weather is abysmal

 

[camsmith]

Why exactly are you on an NRL forum if you're only here to defend AFL? :?

Well, im a fan of NRL so thats why im on an NRL forum.

Just keeping you guys honest re: AFL/NRL crowds.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Well, im a fan of NRL so thats why im on an NRL forum.

Just keeping you guys honest re: AFL/NRL crowds.

Well thanks for that sterling service CS. I just hope you're doing the same over at BF when they talk about tv audiences.