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D day for Parramatta

Name three players Parramatta must keep if they are to make the playoffs.


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Lambretta

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As for the moron directors who have gotten them into this situation

Those twats can take a hike

I like Sterlo's suggestion of Bernie Gurr coming to the club to run it
 

Caped Crusader

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The problem for Parramatta - with the NRL announcing 7 months into the salary season, is that losing any player now only gains them 5 twelfths of cap space

So if 2 players are on $600,000 and one is on $400,000 to gain $600,000 in this seasons cap they have to offload all three for this season to comply and then they're $1 million under the cap for next season

They can't re-sign those players as they've gone elsewhere and they're f**ked

No club in their right minds would get rid of 3 high quality players and end up miles f**king short of the cap again for the next season and they're on a hiding to nothing for the next three years as well as this one - and for what? So they can have an outside chance of making the finals and stop fans from other clubs calling them cheats? Where's the upside for Parramatta there?

If it was me, I'd try and offload Watmough, who is injured and who's signing was a mistake

His salary alone - counted in full for next season actually gives them ROOM in next seasons cap and they don't have to offload two other highly talented players to boot

Todd Greenburg talked about giving Parramatta hope for this year as he didn't want to see the soul destroying procession like we witnessed with the Melbourne Storm

Well, I can't see how he's managed that. He's merely giving the illusion that's what he's doing. Yes Parramatta could put themselves in a position where they can play for points this year but in order to do that they have to damage themselves for this year and the next three or four whilst they completely rebuild again

If it were my club I'd say f**k you. We're not playing for points. We'll look to get ourselves 100% correct for next season and go from there

They have few other sensible options available unless Watmough can be legally retired this season and have his salary backdated to the beginning of the season. As others have said - that's not guaranteed.


Yep, its what makes the most sense

There will be plenty who whinge about them holding onto their squad but unless they are allowed to renegotiate lower wages with current players, they'll be losing team members anyway for 2017 much like Melbourne did
 

oldmancraigy

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The problem for Parramatta - with the NRL announcing 7 months into the salary season, is that losing any player now only gains them 5 twelfths of cap space

So if 2 players are on $600,000 and one is on $400,000 to gain $600,000 in this seasons cap they have to offload all three for this season to comply and then they're $1 million under the cap for next season

They can't re-sign those players as they've gone elsewhere and they're f**ked

No club in their right minds would get rid of 3 high quality players and end up miles f**king short of the cap again for the next season and they're on a hiding to nothing for the next three years as well as this one - and for what? So they can have an outside chance of making the finals and stop fans from other clubs calling them cheats? Where's the upside for Parramatta there?

If it was me, I'd try and offload Watmough, who is injured and who's signing was a mistake

His salary alone - counted in full for next season actually gives them ROOM in next seasons cap and they don't have to offload two other highly talented players to boot

Todd Greenburg talked about giving Parramatta hope for this year as he didn't want to see the soul destroying procession like we witnessed with the Melbourne Storm

Well, I can't see how he's managed that. He's merely giving the illusion that's what he's doing. Yes Parramatta could put themselves in a position where they can play for points this year but in order to do that they have to damage themselves for this year and the next three or four whilst they completely rebuild again

If it were my club I'd say f**k you. We're not playing for points. We'll look to get ourselves 100% correct for next season and go from there

They have few other sensible options available unless Watmough can be legally retired this season and have his salary backdated to the beginning of the season. As others have said - that's not guaranteed.

I'm not sold the 5/12th salary thing is a thing?

If that's the way they view it, then they need to be consistent, and admit that Parramatta hasn't YET breached the cap, they are just on track to do so (ie, they are not currently $570k over, they are just on track to be). If they shed players so that they never actually break the cap, then there should be no point deduction... (that's using the 5/12ths logic)

Make 'em immediately lose players so they are under the cap threshold. No renegotiation allowed.
 

JamesRustle

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It shouid not be the loyal supporters copping it on the chin, it should be the slime who have perpetrated this mess.

The loyal supporters demanded success, so the board did what they thought they had to. Fans, players and club need to cop it, vent and move on.
 

OVP

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As for the moron directors who have gotten them into this situation

Those twats can take a hike

I like Sterlo's suggestion of Bernie Gurr coming to the club to run it

I don't. I want him back at the Roosters :)
 

Pete Cash

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The NFL does have caps but I'm not sure how hard it's enforced but regardless the NFL has the player population to let go of someone and get someone else just as good.
NRL doesn't have this luxury, you have like 3 or 4 premier players and then the talent level drops.
This is why teams do it, for them, it's a calculated risk and considering the punishment Parra got, can't really blame them.

The nfl has a hard cap and salary information is published. If parra pulled this in the nfl they would be playing on a reduced cap for a couple of years like they should be here.

http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2012/03/12/nfl-hits-cowboys-redskins-hard-by-docking-salary-cap-space
 
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oh so they got a warrant ? or a mole ?

Are the tapes verified as not being doctored.. ?

Further to what Parra wrote, the recordings were made by the CEO's Executive Assistant at the meetings concerned to assist her with compiling the minutes. She then transferred the audio to files on her PC which were found by the NRL Integrity Unit during their investigation.
 
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Some leagues don't play for points at all. NBA, NFL etc..they also don't have hard caps(atleast the NBA doesn't) so if you go over the cap you pay a very high 'luxury tax' to the league but it isn't against the rules, most teams(owners) still try hard to avoid it. Punishments in the NBA and NFL come in the form of fines, banishments and loss of draft picks.

Surely there are soccer teams that have lost points before though.

The NFL?! Mate the NFL have a hard Salary Cap. No paying luxury tax for it. NFL clubs have to remain under it at all times. Breach it you can face fines of up to $5 million per breach, cancellation of contracts, and/or loss of draft picks. The NFL also have a salary floor amount that must be spent. The situation you are describing only applies to the NBA.
 
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Not only that but a Supreme Court could rule that Parra keep their points until a full hearing is heard.

Yes it could. Problem is that is not what the legal action is about. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) it is solely about the directions against the "Infamous 5".
 

Lambretta

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Yep, its what makes the most sense

There will be plenty who whinge about them holding onto their squad but unless they are allowed to renegotiate lower wages with current players, they'll be losing team members anyway for 2017 much like Melbourne did

Funnily enough - they only have to lose one player - who is busted anyway to be 100% completely legitimate for next season

Sure they will also have players coming off contract who they need to re-sign, so that will give them opportunities to re-jig a few other things anyway.

But there is little logic in getting rid of their best players to play this season because they won't make the 8 without their best players - especially if they have to win almost every game to get there.

Teams over the cap aren't allowed to re-negotiate lower salaries - the Dogs did that and then won the comp two years later. They have to let someone go.

If the NRL won't allow Watmough to be invalided off, then they'll have to work out who else they let go as Choc is contracted for 2 more years I believe
 

betcats

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The NFL?! Mate the NFL have a hard Salary Cap. No paying luxury tax for it. NFL clubs have to remain under it at all times. Breach it you can face fines of up to $5 million per breach, cancellation of contracts, and/or loss of draft picks. The NFL also have a salary floor amount that must be spent. The situation you are describing only applies to the NBA.

Yeah sorry I should of made that more clear. My knowledge of the salary cap only extends to the NBA, ive got very little NFL knowledge besides reading about some of the recent cheating scandals in regards the patriots coach a few years ago and the bountyhunters in st Louis.
 
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The following was published in today's Sydney Morning Herald -

Parramatta Eels prepare to give up on 2016 if Anthony Watmough isn't cleared from salary cap

Date: May 4, 2016 - 9:58PMby Michael Chammas and Adrian Proszenko
Parramatta are prepared to give up on this season if Anthony Watmough isn't cleared from the salary cap, with fears the Eels could set themselves back another three years if they shed their best talent to play for points from next week.

The Eels' first priority remains becoming compliant to play for points this season, but are sweating on the NRL to label Watmough's knee problems as a career-ending injury, which would see him exempt from the salary cap and wipe close to $450,000 from the $570,000 they need to shed by next Friday's game against the South Sydney Rabbitohs.

However, if the request is knocked back, the Eels are weighing up whether to bite the bullet and sacrifice their 2016 campaign in order to keep the bulk of their squad together in the hope of competing for a title next season.

The release of key players could allow them to compete for points this year, however the departure of those players will all but guarantee the Eels fail to win 12 of 15 games most likely required to make the top eight.


Speculation has been rife about the immediate future of Corey Norman, Kieran Foran and Semi Radradra, however the Eels are determined to ensure they don't jeopardise their long-term future in the hope of a miracle this year, placing emphasis on retaining the star trio.

Ian Schubert, the man who refused to allow Israel Folau to become an Eel, is now tasked with the responsibility of ensuring the club becomes salary cap compliant in time to play for points next Friday.

For 18 years, Schubert was the judge and jury presiding over all player contract registrations as the NRL's salary cap auditor.

His reign came to an end in 2013, but not before making a controversial ruling that effectively gifted Folau to the 15-man game. After a failed stint in the AFL in 2012, Folau came onto the open market at late notice.
The Eels, hoping the former Maroons and Kangaroos star could provide a timely boost after earning the wooden spoon, offered him what money they had left in their salary cap for the following season as part of a back-ended deal.

Schubert refused to register it, claiming the first year of his contract had to properly reflect his market value. This despite the fact
Schubert allowed Brisbane to register Darren Lockyer, touted as a future Immortal, on a contract worth just $250,000 on the cap during his final season.

As the Eels went back and forth with Schubert in an attempt to placate him, a disillusioned Folau turned his back on rugby league and hasn't returned.

While many at Parramatta won't forgive Schubert for the ruling, he has subsequently joined the club to, ironically, sort our their salary cap mess.
Schubert has been poring over the books for more than six months, but he is now in charge of affairs after chairman Steve Sharp, CEO John Boulous, head of football Daniel Anderson, deputy chairman Tom Issa and director Peter Serrao were served with breach notices.

"The Parramatta Eels are working as a priority to ensure the club is salary cap compliant in time for next week's Round 10 game against the South Sydney Rabbitohs," the club said in a statement.

"The process is being led by former NRL salary cap auditor and club consultant, Ian Schubert, in accordance with NRL requirements.

"The club recognises that being salary cap compliant and able to accrue competition points is essential for the playing group, members and supporters, and the game of rugby league. The club is also working closely with the NRL..."

Rival clubs have been circling the Eels in the hope of bolstering their roster should they hold a fire sale in their quest for cap compliance.
The Roosters, the team with the most money still left in their coffers, made contact on Wednesday to see if any players were set to be jettisoned. However, Parramatta officials are hopeful they won't have to shed key players if the NRL will play ball on the pending retirement of Watmough.

The Eels, still $570,000 over the limit, hope the new career-ending injury insurance provision will cover the amount if head office backdates the payout to the start of this year.

The Eels, the NRL, insurers and Watmough's management have been working through the process, but a formal submission hasn't been lodged at head office as yet.

A ruling on the matter is crucial as all teams are now seven months into their annual pay cycles, meaning there is little money to be spent – or saved – in transfers at this time of year. Clubs inquired about the availability of a host of players on Wednesday, including Junior Paulo and Radradra.

Given both players are crucial to Parramatta's chances and are on relatively modest salaries this season, it's not in the club's interests to entertain a release at this time.

I've bolded and underlined some pertinent points in the above article. Surprised it wasn't already posted. Oh well. Hope it is of some help.
 

betcats

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Further to what Parra wrote, the recordings were made by the CEO's Executive Assistant at the meetings concerned to assist her with compiling the minutes. She then transferred the audio to files on her PC which were found by the NRL Integrity Unit during their investigation.

:crazy: Just wow if true. Imagine if criminals operated this way and left carefully documented evidence of their crimes.
 

mave

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Haha. Why should the NRL play ball ?

Watmough's well documented knee injury is not "new".
And I don't buy the "he picked up a new, different type of knee injury during training" bullshit.
 

some11

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Parra should be thanking the NRL regarding Watmough, without all this I bet he just hangs around at the club like a bad stink getting paid for delivering nothing.
 

Perth Red

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Surely one answer would be to offload a star to a SL club for remainder of season and have them come back next year? Leeds are rich and desperate.
 

Parra

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Further to what Parra wrote, the recordings were made by the CEO's Executive Assistant at the meetings concerned to assist her with compiling the minutes. She then transferred the audio to files on her PC which were found by the NRL Integrity Unit during their investigation.

This could be a red herring. Only part of the board is threatened with deregistration. It would be hard to see how this was a board call if only a few have been implicated. The remaining board members would have a duty to take it further if something improper was going on. I don't know if there is any suggestion that the board members that HQ is happy with had anything to do with informing in this regard.
 

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