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D day for Parramatta

Name three players Parramatta must keep if they are to make the playoffs.


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Avenger

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Not saying they are innocent. I'm just saying that we need to get all the facts. Not opinion and pissing in the wind.
 

thorson1987

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Some leagues don't play for points at all. NBA, NFL etc..they also don't have hard caps(atleast the NBA doesn't) so if you go over the cap you pay a very high 'luxury tax' to the league but it isn't against the rules, most teams(owners) still try hard to avoid it. Punishments in the NBA and NFL come in the form of fines, banishments and loss of draft picks.

Surely there are soccer teams that have lost points before though.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-395629/Juve-Lazio-Fiorentina-relegated.html
 

Pommy

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The difference is the cap, most leagues don't have a cap so until Para get that under control they are effectively cheating and shoudnt be able to earn any points.

I feel sorry for the fans and players but it's the only logical position the NRL can take until they get their house in order.
 

MarkC

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Not saying they are innocent. I'm just saying that we need to get all the facts. Not opinion and pissing in the wind.

All I am saying is Parra should try to get into the position of playing for points ASAP.

Responding to or contesting the NRL findings is something they can do later.
 

big hit!

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Not saying they are innocent. I'm just saying that we need to get all the facts. Not opinion and pissing in the wind.

Cos the NRL wanted another salary cap scandal which makes them look incompetent and damages the game too.

It's this BS head in the sand mentality from supporters (and support for their board just because it's Parra) who think their club is hard done by which is going to hurt the club further.
 

El Diablo

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Are you sure? Then why appeal at all?

in case they wanted to kick out another cub in the future http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/JCULawRw/2003/6.html#Heading81

Finally, an unusual aspect of the High Court appeal was that News Ltd made it clear before the proceedings began that it would not seek to remove Souths from the competition should the decision be made in its favour. Thus the proceedings before the High Court could be viewed as nothing more than an academic exercise. However, News Ltd’s wish to take the matter to the High Court might indicate that News Ltd may, at some time in the future, seek to reduce the number of teams in the NRL. If so, a clarification on the legality of the 14-team term was far from a mere academic exercise as the decision would allow it to use a similar provision in order to reduce the number of teams. This author has reservations as to whether the NRL is sustainable in its present 15-team format, given the competition from both the Australian Football League (AFL) and rugby union for players, spectators and the sponsorship dollar. For that reason the High Court decision may well prove to be an important one for News Ltd in its role as a partner in the NRL.
 
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moffla

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Match fixing is far worse than Salary cap breaching though IMO. Whilst a breach of the cap creates an uneven playing field, match fixing pre determines a result so it's hard to compare football with league in the punishment aspect.

Perth Glory in last years A-league were removed from finals and had to play the last couple of weeks for no points.
 
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Can't wait for the big boys to meet up with Parramatta and start sorting them out.

These board members have thicker skins than the Corrupt NSW Labour Party of a few years ago.
 

hrundi99

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Not only that but a Supreme Court could rule that Parra keep their points until a full hearing is heard.

I would have though the NRL can decide what it wants to do re allocating or removing points within it's own competition.

The 5 men's issue relates to their employment status and HR practices etc. which is within the real world legal realm.
 

Shorty

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The NFL does have caps but I'm not sure how hard it's enforced but regardless the NFL has the player population to let go of someone and get someone else just as good.
NRL doesn't have this luxury, you have like 3 or 4 premier players and then the talent level drops.
This is why teams do it, for them, it's a calculated risk and considering the punishment Parra got, can't really blame them.
 

hunters

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The Mclaren Formula 1 team was excluded from scoring points in the 2007 Constructors championship after being done for espionage. The drivers were still allowed to accumulate points though.
 

Lambretta

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The NRL shouldnt have left the door open for them to exploit by keeping the squad and play for no points. Should set them to a negative point balance so that it is impossible to reach the finals this year. Then instead of an open-ended chance to get under the cap give them a hard deadline of say 4 weeks. Once that deadline is up if they are under the cap they can play for points, if not they start on -x points for next season as well.

Give them definite boundaries or they will take the piss

The problem for Parramatta - with the NRL announcing 7 months into the salary season, is that losing any player now only gains them 5 twelfths of cap space

So if 2 players are on $600,000 and one is on $400,000 to gain $600,000 in this seasons cap they have to offload all three for this season to comply and then they're $1 million under the cap for next season

They can't re-sign those players as they've gone elsewhere and they're f**ked

No club in their right minds would get rid of 3 high quality players and end up miles f**king short of the cap again for the next season and they're on a hiding to nothing for the next three years as well as this one - and for what? So they can have an outside chance of making the finals and stop fans from other clubs calling them cheats? Where's the upside for Parramatta there?

If it was me, I'd try and offload Watmough, who is injured and who's signing was a mistake

His salary alone - counted in full for next season actually gives them ROOM in next seasons cap and they don't have to offload two other highly talented players to boot

Todd Greenburg talked about giving Parramatta hope for this year as he didn't want to see the soul destroying procession like we witnessed with the Melbourne Storm

Well, I can't see how he's managed that. He's merely giving the illusion that's what he's doing. Yes Parramatta could put themselves in a position where they can play for points this year but in order to do that they have to damage themselves for this year and the next three or four whilst they completely rebuild again

If it were my club I'd say f**k you. We're not playing for points. We'll look to get ourselves 100% correct for next season and go from there

They have few other sensible options available unless Watmough can be legally retired this season and have his salary backdated to the beginning of the season. As others have said - that's not guaranteed.
 
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Lambretta

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PS TVF

Why should Parramatta start on minus points for next season if they can't get under this?

They've been docked points this season - they've had their punishment

The salary cap is designed to keep teams level each year - if Parramatta can clearly demonstrate that they're cap compliant next season (remember they've had to offload a highly paid player to become cap compliant) then why should they be punished further

Who is that benefitting?

Why should Parramatta get rid of their best players when those players are legally under the cap? As from next year - that's exactly what they will be if they take the option not to play for points this season
 

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