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D day for Parramatta

Name three players Parramatta must keep if they are to make the playoffs.


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Perth Red

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given eels NRL club makes no money was all this extra money paid to players covered by the leagues club income? And if so how come it isn't showing on their annual financial reports to members?? Are the leagues club in strife as well for posting false annual reports?
 

Card Shark

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A lot of unanswered questions...ones I think the NRL don't want to answer.

However the dept of liquor & gaming, tax dept & police force may want answers.
 

POPEYE

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So now that all of this has been laid bare I'd be interested to see how the tide of public opinion will turn.

And does this new info mean that due process has run its course, the five are toast and the 12 points get stripped or is Greenberg going to continue to tip toe through the tulips?

Hate to say it but I hope Toddy does his best to make the cap look as ridiculous as possible
 

Jubileeboy

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Based on this evidence, I cannot see how Parra can be allowed to contest this years Premiership.
Calculated attempts to cover up salary cap cheats and Greenburg gives them a very stern warning.
A 12 points deduction does not deny them the right to compete, it is still allowing them to compete and sends a very poor message from the governing body.
No I'll feelings towards the supporters here but the Parramatta Board have been caught cheating.
 

Card Shark

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I can't understand why Parra just don't come 100% clean, accept the penalties and details exactly what they did so it doesn't come out in the media drip by drip over the next few weeks. Put it all out in the open and they will get hammered in the media for a day or two but it will then all stop because it isn't news anymore. Just get it all over and done with instead of waking up each day knowing there will be more and more articles being written

I'd say Greenburg doesn't want it all known.

It appears he has some indirect involvement in it (but not necessarily knowing about it).

The NRL need to reassess their penalty & strike them out for this year. As I said at the time, it takes 28 points to make the finals, so take 28 off them.

Let them play for points & if they get back to 0, they would've made the finals...getting to positive is their finals.
 

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I'd say Greenburg doesn't want it all known.

It appears he has some indirect involvement in it (but not necessarily knowing about it).

The NRL need to reassess their penalty & strike them out for this year. As I said at the time, it takes 28 points to make the finals, so take 28 off them.

Let them play for points & if they get back to 0, they would've made the finals...getting to positive is their finals.

Says a fan with proven drug cheats and a coach who knew and was suspended. Your mob should have been wiped for life if you use the same logic.
 

Card Shark

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Our club broke the rules for 2 months, yours 5 of 6 years.

We suffered through 2 seasons, you will suffer for 1/2 a season.

Anyway, the offences are different. Storm & Bulldogs did similar offences to the Eels but the penalty seems so different.
 

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Sorry. I live in Melbourne so maybe the juicy details haven't filtered down here yet.

Toddy made his speech and all but the leaked tapes, spreadsheets, etc... this is the first I've heard of it.

The info is from the actual breach notice which was given to Parramatta, which was leaked by someone to News Corp this week. It's new to everyone but the NRL and Parramatta.
 

ek999

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I'd say Greenburg doesn't want it all known.

It appears he has some indirect involvement in it (but not necessarily knowing about it).

The NRL need to reassess their penalty & strike them out for this year. As I said at the time, it takes 28 points to make the finals, so take 28 off them.

Let them play for points & if they get back to 0, they would've made the finals...getting to positive is their finals.

But according to one article, the details of Greenbergs conversations with Seward were included in the breach notice at his insistence so I don't think he is covering anything up

I also highly doubt Greenberg did or told anything dodgy seeing as though when Seward went to him for advice he was already Head of Football
 

El Diablo

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But according to one article, the details of Greenbergs conversations with Seward were included in the breach notice at his insistence so I don't think he is covering anything up

I also highly doubt Greenberg did or told anything dodgy seeing as though when Seward went to him for advice he was already Head of Football

one article says that yet http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...4e43bbde8a803a2f6TheFilthySpammersb323e4847ea

Seward evidence missing from NRL investigation into Eels

The Australian
May 9, 2016 12:00AM
Brent Read
Senior sports writer
Sydney

Parramatta’s legal team is set to ask the NRL this morning whether crucial pieces of evidence were left out of information forwarded to the club late last week amid suggestions the only sign of former chief executive Scott Seward among the documentation was a lone statement.

Seward was believed to be a cornerstone of the NRL investigation into the club’s salary cap breaches but it is understood Eels officials were bemused when they reviewed the documentation and discovered no interview transcript from the club’s former chief executive.

Instead, the only information provided in relation to Seward was a single statement signed on May 2 — the day before the NRL handed down sanctions against the club.

Seward was only allowed to provide evidence to the NRL after the Eels agreed to relent on a confidentiality clause related to his departure from the club.

It is understood Eels directors, including the three who have been singled out by the NRL for their part in the salary cap breaches, devoted much of their weekend to reviewing more than 700 pages of interview transcripts which formed the basis of the NRL’s review of the club.

Those three — chairman Steve Sharp, deputy chairman Tom Issa and director Peter Serrao — along with chief executive John Boulous and head of football Daniel Anderson return to the Supreme Court this morning as they continue their legal action against the club.

The court case heats up as the club accelerates its attempt to become cap compliant when former salary cap auditor Ian Schubert, now a consultant with the Eels, meets his successor at the NRL Jamie L’oste Brown. Schubert believes the club’s salary cap woes are significantly less than the $570,000 suggested by the NRL. The club has already shaved $70,000 off its cap by allowing centre Ryan Morgan to join Melbourne, but the most pertinent issue remains the possible retirement of backrower Anthony Watmough. Watmough is on a mega-contract with Parramatta and his retirement could ease much of their pain, although that would require the NRL accepting Parramatta’s view that his knee problem is a career-ending injury.

Those players not involved in representative football returned to their Parramatta base yesterday, insisting the week off had given them time to freshen up both mentally and physically.

They also expressed regret at knowing what their penalty was for cap breaches — the club will be docked 12 premiership points once the provisional sanctions are confirmed early next month.

“It’s been hanging over our heads all season,” club captain Tim Mannah said.

“The solidarity we’ve showed throughout the whole thing has actually galvanised us and drawn us closer together. It’s not ideal but it’s the cards we’ve been dealt. And we’ve got a team and coaching staff than deal with this.”

Mannah was reluctant to criticise the officials who have taken legal action against the NRL — chief executive Todd Greenberg initially suggested the Eels would be unable to play for premiership points while action remained on the table, although the NRL later backed away from that threat.

“Hard for us to comment on the boardroom because we don’t know all the details,” he said.

“It’s easy for you and I to point our fingers on what we think went wrong. But unless we know exactly what happened it’s no good commenting or throwing our two cents worth in there.”

Fullback Michael Gordon said the players didn’t really want to see anyone forced out and the *decision on Watmough would largely determine how taxing the scandal is on the club’s roster.

“They could take my salary but it’s not much coming off the cap,” Gordon said. “I like to joke about it because there’s no point whingeing or moaning about it. What’s done is done so let’s move forward. All the boys are being really positive and I’m a positive person, so we’ll go from there.

“My opinion at the start of the year is that we were capable of playing finals footy and that hasn’t changed,” Gordon said on losing 12 competition points.

“Nobody wants this season to go to waste. So we’ll come out with a positive attitude. At least now we know we’re still playing.”

so was Toddles really included or is he trying to hide something?
 

Snappy

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They provided a statement from Seward. Not sure why they would expect the entire interview transcript in the breach notice.
 

Snappy

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From what we've seen from the Board meeting transcripts, the NRL didnt even need to interview Seward to prove that the other board members were fully aware of the rorting.
 

Last Week

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lol

No doubt you've never seen a proper legal statement

Nothing about this has anything to do with the law or the legal system except for the injunction that was previously in place.

NRL rules do not equal law.
Version provided by Seward is not a legal statement.
 
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Nothing about this has anything to do with the law or the legal system except for the injunction that was previously in place.

NRL rules do not equal law.
Version provided by Seward is not a legal statement.

Also in this situation, if people want to talk about "law", the standard of proof would more than likely be on par with that accepted for a civil trial as opposed to a criminal trial.
 

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Also in this situation, if people want to talk about "law", the standard of proof would more than likely be on par with that accepted for a civil trial as opposed to a criminal trial.

That's correct. It doesn't need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

For this however, the NRL would need to be able prove a prima facie case for each instant that they allege Parra have breached the cap. I.e. The NRL would need to show that every dollar they claim as dodgy, was in fact a part of a dodgy third party deal. Not just lump them all as dodgy just because some are.

I dare say, that's where the GO5 are looking at contesting.
 

El Diablo

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but they would also like to know what evidence is being used against them that was provided by Seward to check it's validity

if his statement isn't included then they have nfi

and for Greenberg's statement to be true then Seward's testimony has to be included in the breach notice and it isn't

so what is Todd hiding?
 
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