Daily Telegraph: Feleti Mateo launches Eel attack

[oldmancraigy]

Someone after game says "This is the Best feeling Evvvvvvver"...

That'll be Watmough whether Manly win lose or draw --> I'm not sure he can tell the difference, he just loves running around out there sooooo much.

 

[HevyDevy]

So they didn't think he was professional enough to do his job without Fitzgerald in charge?

Why do you think that is?

Mate this is all well known in rugby league circles and I assume among many fans too so I'm surprised you keep asking the question.

3p wanted Anderson gone since day 1. It was a personal vendetta based upon the fact that he was a Fitzgerald appointment. If they had hired him, there would never have been a problem.

They wanted him gone from the very first day they were voted in - but it would have looked idiotic to sack a coach that had just been hired. They wanted to wait until the end of the year - but again it would have looked ridiculous to sack a coach that had just made a GF.

He wasn't sacked because of poor results or any other reason. He was sacked because 2010 provided the first real opportunity for the board to do so.

Of course, given the basis of the relationship, it was never going to work and unfortunately for Ando, he had to go.

That said, Kearney is there now, he has the support of the board - which is good for the club - and we can hopefully look forward to a better future now that the board has decided to actually help recruit some decent players.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Mate this is all well known in rugby league circles and I assume among many fans too so I'm surprised you keep asking the question.

Because it gets more paranoid and bizarre every time. I love it.

It's up there with "the refs want X, Y or Z team to win the comp" and "the judiciary will always suspend Kiwis/Queenslanders before Tests/Origin".

3p wanted Anderson gone since day 1. It was a personal vendetta based upon the fact that he was a Fitzgerald appointment. If they had hired him, there would never have been a problem.

They wanted him gone from the very first day they were voted in - but it would have looked idiotic to sack a coach that had just been hired. They wanted to wait until the end of the year - but again it would have looked ridiculous to sack a coach that had just made a GF.

He wasn't sacked because of poor results or any other reason. He was sacked because 2010 provided the first real opportunity for the board to do so.

:lol::lol::lol:

Stop it.

Of course, given the basis of the relationship, it was never going to work and unfortunately for Ando, he had to go.

Well now you're speaking some sense. A breakdown in a working relationship is a realistic and fair reason for an organisation to part ways with an employee.

As you say, it was unfortunate for Anderson, but was it unfortunate for the club at all?

That said, Kearney is there now, he has the support of the board - which is good for the club - and we can hopefully look forward to a better future now that the board has decided to actually help recruit some decent players.

You don't think the board wanted good players at the club before? Maybe they should have let Hayne go at the end of his contract? That would have stuck it up Anderson wouldn't it?

Given how desperate they were to get rid of Anderson at the expense of everything else I'm surprised they didn't go to these lengths. It would certainly fit with the rest of your conspiracy theory.

 

[Maroubra Eel]

It's no conspiracy theory Poupou.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It fits all the criteria of a conspiracy theory:

1. It cannot be satisfactorily proven or disproven

2. It contains an element of truth

3. It concerns those 'in power' coldly victimising the defenceless peasants under them

4. It seems plausible on the surface

5. When looked at closely it is obviously full of holes

The fact is, there's no way the board would want the team's performance to suffer just so they can sack a coach. Likewise, there's no way a board would want to get rid of a good coach and replace him with a poor one just because the current coach was signed by the previous board. If that's the case then why not get rid of all the staff, including the players?

But to help your conspiracy theory gain some traction, consider this - we are getting rid of a lot of old staff and players! :shock:

Gone are Sharpe, Reddy and Knowles. We've also lost a ton of players since Fitzgerald left, including Mateo and Inu! :shock:

It must be true. The board are sacking everyone who was here under Fitzgerald!!! :shock::shock::shock:

Except, you know, the blokes who have the attitude needed to turn this club from a headcase into a mentally strong outfit. You have to ask yourself, are all these people being sacked because they were brought to the club under Fitzgerald, or are they getting the arse for being losers?

 

[strider]

... If that's the case then why not get rid of all the staff, including the players?

simple, it costs too much to pay them all out ... gotta wait till their contracts end, as has happened (except ando, who played a part in his own downfall by asking for an extention)

in sport it is the natural way for new bosses (ie coaches, managers, boards) to clean out and put ppl they want in positions ..... that's what SK is doing and may well have been what the board did .... so what?! - its just how it works - sport can be a bit cut throat

i think its ridiculous to argue about all this .... what happened, happened - we have a new coach, just gotta get on with things - which is what SK is doing ... good stuff

 

[Poupou Escobar]

simple, it costs too much to pay them all out ... gotta wait till their contracts end, as has happened (except ando, who played a part in his own downfall by asking for an extention)

Which is why I made the point of why the board allowed the extension of all those contracts of Fitzgerald-era players.

in sport it is the natural way for new bosses (ie coaches, managers, boards) to clean out and put ppl they want in positions ..... that's what SK is doing and may well have been what the board did .... so what?! - its just how it works - sport can be a bit cut throat

Agreed. Managers live and die on the performances of the people under them. But if Anderson was that good he'd have been retained. Just like Hayne, Mannah and the rest.

i think its ridiculous to argue about all this .... what happened, happened - we have a new coach, just gotta get on with things - which is what SK is doing ... good stuff

Unfortunately it's the off season and there's not much else to argue about.

 

[spartan2153]

Which is why I made the point of why the board allowed the extension of all those contracts of Fitzgerald-era players.



Agreed. Managers live and die on the performances of the people under them. But if Anderson was that good he'd have been retained. Just like Hayne, Mannah and the rest.



Unfortunately it's the off season and there's not much else to argue about.

What you just wrote there pretty much sums up how ridiculous your rebuttals are.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What you just wrote there pretty much sums up how ridiculous your rebuttals are.

Um no, that was to show how stupid the initial argument is - I don't expect the board to sack Fitzgerald-era players if they're good enough, just like I don't think they would have sacked Anderson if he was good enough.

If a player or coach is good enough, then the board will keep them no matter who signed them.

That's how stupid your conspiracy theory is.

 

[HevyDevy]

It fits all the criteria of a conspiracy theory:

1. It cannot be satisfactorily proven or disproven

2. It contains an element of truth

3. It concerns those 'in power' coldly victimising the defenceless peasants under them

4. It seems plausible on the surface

5. When looked at closely it is obviously full of holes

The fact is, there's no way the board would want the team's performance to suffer just so they can sack a coach. Likewise, there's no way a board would want to get rid of a good coach and replace him with a poor one just because the current coach was signed by the previous board. If that's the case then why not get rid of all the staff, including the players?

But to help your conspiracy theory gain some traction, consider this - we are getting rid of a lot of old staff and players! :shock:

Gone are Sharpe, Reddy and Knowles. We've also lost a ton of players since Fitzgerald left, including Mateo and Inu! :shock:

It must be true. The board are sacking everyone who was here under Fitzgerald!!!

Except, you know, the blokes who have the attitude needed to turn this club from a headcase into a mentally strong outfit. You have to ask yourself, are all these people being sacked because they were brought to the club under Fitzgerald, or are they getting the arse for being losers?

:lol:

I don't even know why you're arguing about this. It's not a theory, it's what happened. It's quite common knowledge. Then only one talking about conspiracy theories is you.

 

[Eels Dude]

:lol:

I don't even know why you're arguing about this. It's not a theory, it's what happened. It's quite common knowledge. Then only one talking about conspiracy theories is you.

I think what Poupou fails to take into consideration is that Daniel Anderson was hired during the time the rebel ticket started building their campaign to take over. It's a bit different to staff and players who had been there a long time already. There was a lot of tension and resentment between both groups at the time DA was named as head coach.

 

[The EELiminator]

i dont understand why kearney (or any coach for that matter) would come to a club where the ceo did all the hiring and firing of players and he was just handed a group of players and told here's your team go to it son

 

[Poupou Escobar]

:lol:

I don't even know why you're arguing about this.

I'm not arguing, I'm asking you to justify your theory and you're failing miserably.

It's not a theory, it's what happened.

The only fact we have is that Anderson was sacked. That's the effect. What you're claiming is to know the cause, yet you have zero proof.

So you can speculate about causality til you turn blue in the face but don't expect the rest of us to accept it if you can't even cover up the holes in your logic.

It's quite common knowledge.

As are all conspiracy theories in the internet age. When gullible people repeat what they've heard that isn't confirmation of truth; it's circular reporting.

Then only one talking about conspiracy theories is you.

That's right. Most people won't give your bullshit theories the time of day, but I'm enough of a f**kwit that I'll humour you in a vain attempt to get you to offer some proof.

Silly me.

 

[TheParraboy]

So then, SK to get sacked if we dont make the top 8 next year? :crazy:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He should have been sacked for not making it this year! :crazy:

 

[Maroubra Eel]

So then, SK to get sacked if we dont make the top 8 next year? :crazy:

Luckily we will never know.

There's no way we won't make the 8 with the team we have next year.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

More importantly, there's no way Kearney will ever get sacked by this board.

After all, they signed him. And that's more important to them than results.

 

[HevyDevy]

I'm not arguing, I'm asking you to justify your theory and you're failing miserably.



The only fact we have is that Anderson was sacked. That's the effect. What you're claiming is to know the cause, yet you have zero proof.

So you can speculate about causality til you turn blue in the face but don't expect the rest of us to accept it if you can't even cover up the holes in your logic.



As are all conspiracy theories in the internet age. When gullible people repeat what they've heard that isn't confirmation of truth; it's circular reporting.



That's right. Most people won't give your bullshit theories the time of day, but I'm enough of a f**kwit that I'll humour you in a vain attempt to get you to offer some proof.

Silly me.

Well champ if you think this is a case of you have a theory and I have a theory, you're mistaken. But if it makes it easier for you to swallow, so be it. Doesn't change what actually happened.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Actually champ, if you think you're right, you're wrong.

But good luck with your crusade. I might even vote for you at the next club election.

But seriously, I don't have a theory. I'm just sick of whingers like you throwing yours around like a bunch of dummy spitting children, with absolutely no proof. You just sound like you backed the wrong horse and now you're just going to piss and moan about it every chance you get.

You could be completely right but the way you carry on about it makes me disinclined to believe you. And even if I did believe you I'm even less inclined to care.

The reason I support the current board and coach is the same reason I don't give a shit about previous employees of the club - because it's got nothing to do with me. But one thing that makes my blood boil is a sore loser and that's you and all your mates.

 

[strider]

I'm not arguing, I'm asking you to justify your theory and you're failing miserably.

by your own definition of conspiracy theories, you can't conclusively disprove it either - so you are both "failing miserably" then