Dave Smith and John Grant facing a rebellion over the direction of the NRL

[Perth Red]

So merely existing in a region is considered "brilliant work". Looks like standard community footy that would exist with or without the NRL. Or even in spite of it.

Volunteers are the backbone of community footy. Not the leeches at the pro level. Same for every sport.

Really? Did you even go through the site and see all the vists to remote communities, anti bullying programs, kids health programs? All funded by the NRL. I guess you see what you want to. If you think the NRL is doing nothing for the community then showing you evidence isn't going to change your mind clearly.

 

[Parra]

Really? Did you even go through the site and see all the vists to remote communities, anti bullying programs, kids health programs? All funded by the NRL. I guess you see what you want to. If you think the NRL is doing nothing for the community then showing you evidence isn't going to change your mind clearly.

Volunteers and locals. That is what sport is all about. Without them it does not exist.

 

[insert.pause]

Should be the case. But it is not. Whatever community spirit that existed was purged with the SL war.

You must have missed the rugby league community rally behind Alex McKinnon.

The fact you are talking about the sport on a forum in its offseason is proof of its social utility.

 

[Perth Red]

Volunteers and locals. That is what sport is all about. Without them it does not exist.

The DO, NRL community ambassadors and all costs for these programs are funded by the NRL. I'm not talking about the PRL clubs, I'm talking about the community programs the NRL is paying for and running in the pilbara communities and remote towns.

 

[insert.pause]

You could use the same argument for shopping centres. Full of people. Claim to be part of the community. Would be just as false.

No, they are for profit, pretty significant distinction. The only reason the NRL exists is because of the community it serves.

 

[Parra]

You must have missed the rugby league community rally behind Alex McKinnon.

The fact you are talking about the sport on a forum in its offseason is proof of its social utility.

Again - doesn't need an NRL. This sort of thing happens at a local, amateur level when it has to as well. It is a good thing and will always happen in Australia. People have always supported their mates and always will.

 

[Parra]

It they give enough back to make you happy then that is what counts. Enjoy it.

 

[Perth Red]

Not at all, they could be doing heaps more than what they are, but you asked for an example of where they are doing something and Ive given you a very good example of what they can do and do well. I'd love to see what they are doing with the PRL happening across Australia. Maybe it is?

 

[insert.pause]

Without professional competition to aspire to and look up to how many kids and people do you think would play the game, volunteer, get government funding, it flows top-to-bottom just as much as it does bottom-to-top.

 

[Perth Red]

Looks like lots of other brilliant work taking place

http://www.rloc.com.au

 

[Parra]

I didn't ask for examples and I am not complaining that they don't do enough. I don't even consider that they have a role. The examples are just tokenism. Feel-good shite. They should lose the pretence - the NRL is not "not for profit". There is good money being made and still the pro level has it's hand out for taxpayer funds.

 

[Through the Lens]

Again I ask lens what do you think the NRL or specifically smith/grants failings have been over the last 12 months?

Gallen is a fckwit who is very lucky to be in a highly paid job so you can't say the NRL response to him being a fckwit was poor IMO. And that is what the response to Gallen being a fckwit is, an opinion. You might think he was harshly treat, I happen to think he is extremely lucky. So what else have they failed at that you think they deserve punting for?

I think I've elaborated on that several times over the past two or three days. I'm not going to repeat just because you missed the posts.

We have players like Gallen because of their football prowess, not necessarily their brains or communication skills or lack thereof.
There is no doubt Gallen did something not very smart, but almost immediately he tried to make amends, but was ignored by Smith. Smith impulsive actions has caused Smith to become the brunt of ridicule by very eminent Legal people who saw immediately his legally unenforceable action was wrong, a denial of natural justice and from a team bonding perspective just plain dumb. Smith is now marginalised and must go just on the basis of this silly impetuous act.

Others have stated that this would be cause for immediate dismissal in private employment. Well, also as others have stated, Gallen doesn't work for the NRL, (can you believe that) so on that basis Smith has no legal ability to impose a fine. But it can be argued that the Fair Work Commission have ruled that use of foul or vulgar language in the workplace will not necessarily lead to summary dismissal. In fact a series of actions would have to proceed that dismissal, including counselling, training and later fines and/or suspensions.

Just another Smith c**k-up.

 

[insert.pause]

Again - doesn't need an NRL. This sort of thing happens at a local, amateur level when it has to as well. It is a good thing and will always happen in Australia. People have always supported their mates and always will.

It will exist, that's not the same as thriving.

The trickle on effect of rugby league for the Australian economy would be in the high hundreds of millions, if not billions, which means jobs, which means spending, which means more jobs, which means a higher standard of living, not to mention the general wellbeing the competition provides to fans. It is incredibly naive to believe the NRL provides nothing to the community.

 

[Perth Red]

As I thought other than the Gallen whinge you have nothing.

 

[Parra]

It will exist, that's not the same as thriving.

The trickle on effect of rugby league for the Australian economy would be in the high hundreds of millions, if not billions, which means jobs, which means spending, which means more jobs, which means a higher standard of living, not to mention the general wellbeing the competition provides to fans. It is incredibly naive to believe the NRL provides nothing to the community.

No. It is naive to believe in the tokenism.

If it was worth billions then it would be completely privatised. It isn't, so it isn't. Still lives on the public tit.

 

[Bronco18]

I think I've elaborated on that several times over the past two or three days. I'm not going to repeat just because you missed the posts.

We have players like Gallen because of their football prowess, not necessarily their brains or communication skills or lack thereof.
There is no doubt Gallen did something not very smart, but almost immediately he tried to make amends, but was ignored by Smith. Smith impulsive actions has caused Smith to become the brunt of ridicule by very eminent Legal people who saw immediately his legally unenforceable action was wrong, a denial of natural justice and from a team bonding perspective just plain dumb. Smith is now marginalised and must go just on the basis of this silly impetuous act.

Others have stated that this would be cause for immediate dismissal in private employment. Well, also as others have stated, Gallen doesn't work for the NRL, (can you believe that) so on that basis Smith has no legal ability to impose a fine. But it can be argued that the Fair Work Commission have ruled that use of foul or vulgar language in the workplace will not necessarily lead to summary dismissal. In fact a series of actions would have to proceed that dismissal, including counselling, training and later fines and/or suspensions.

Just another Smith c**k-up.

Well clearly you know something that Gallen's lawyers didn't. Man that Smith dude should really start operating within the imaginary legal parameters that exist only in the minds of bleeding heart footy supporters.

 

[insert.pause]

No. It is naive to believe in the tokenism.

If it was worth billions then it would be completely privatised. It isn't, so it isn't. Still lives on the public tit.

You aren't making any sense.

 

[no name]

I think I've elaborated on that several times over the past two or three days. I'm not going to repeat just because you missed the posts.

We have players like Gallen because of their football prowess, not necessarily their brains or communication skills or lack thereof.

Which is why the NRL is coming down hard on players bringing the game into disrepute. I believe the penalty was harsh but it will make players think twice about comments they make on social media/public forums.

There is no doubt Gallen did something not very smart, but almost immediately he tried to make amends, but was ignored by Smith. Smith impulsive actions has caused Smith to become the brunt of ridicule by very eminent Legal people who saw immediately his legally unenforceable action was wrong, a denial of natural justice and from a team bonding perspective just plain dumb. Smith is now marginalised and must go just on the basis of this silly impetuous act.
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You bag Smith for not immediately responding to Gallen and taking time out to handle the situation, then you call his actions impulsive.

Derp.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Volunteers and locals. That is what sport is all about. Without them it does not exist.

Because, as we all know, a tank of petrol and a workers salary can easily be paid for with good will and happy thought....

 

[insert.pause]

I think I've elaborated on that several times over the past two or three days. I'm not going to repeat just because you missed the posts.

We have players like Gallen because of their football prowess, not necessarily their brains or communication skills or lack thereof.
There is no doubt Gallen did something not very smart, but almost immediately he tried to make amends, but was ignored by Smith. Smith impulsive actions has caused Smith to become the brunt of ridicule by very eminent Legal people who saw immediately his legally unenforceable action was wrong, a denial of natural justice and from a team bonding perspective just plain dumb. Smith is now marginalised and must go just on the basis of this silly impetuous act.

Others have stated that this would be cause for immediate dismissal in private employment. Well, also as others have stated, Gallen doesn't work for the NRL, (can you believe that) so on that basis Smith has no legal ability to impose a fine. But it can be argued that the Fair Work Commission have ruled that use of foul or vulgar language in the workplace will not necessarily lead to summary dismissal. In fact a series of actions would have to proceed that dismissal, including counselling, training and later fines and/or suspensions.

Just another Smith c**k-up.

When a player signs a NRL contract they are accepting the games code of conduct, the NRL was well within its rights to fine Gallen for breaching it. It wasn't the use of foul language in the workplace, it was verbal abuse directed at his ultimate employer in public, contrary to his obligation to represent the game appropriately. It was completely legal and the process of issuing a breach notice was entirely consistent with the way the NRL has always operated. You don't know what you're talking about.

Any employer in any industry would be well within their rights to sack someone for a similar offence. Smith acted the way any ceo would have.