Dave Smith and John Grant facing a rebellion over the direction of the NRL

[Parra]

Any company that throws money at something that clearly doesn't work like they do with GWS simply isn't a well run company.

I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon too fast.

The Storm have required subsidies from day one. Even though they've won a couple of comps and always been competitive. The successful clubs still have to fund the Storm to this day.

There are strategic reasons and no sensible person expects them to stand alone from day 1. GWS are no different in this regard.

I'd prefer to see private money prop up these new teams, but it wouldn't change the fact that they need time to get established.

 

[RL The greatest game]

I'm sick of the LU posters going on about how well run the AFL is.

But shit man, I would be happy if my code could pay off the star witnesses in the biggest legal case the code has ever faced.

I think a majority of aFL fans even realise that the aFL itself has less morals than an alley cat.

 

[maccattack]

You know what? I've been in business at the highest level and know how I would respond to my staff if they let me down.

You don't fall back on protocol with your senior employees. Smith should have had a relationship with Gallen, as NSW captain, Cameron Smith as Qld captain and both as Captain and Vice captain of Australia.
If he didn't, then it just reinforces my position that he is a poor leader. His relationship should be one that he gets on the phone and says whats going on. Instead he shuffles into some back room, with a do not disturb sign, and ignors attempts from his State Captain to make amends , if not apologise. So Smith relies on the paltry excuse of Protocol and process or procedure to both avoid communication with a State Captain and with his COO who wanted to relay the message.

Stop with your apologist antics. Stop with your spin. It won't wash mate.

He has to go because he just does not have what it takes. We demand better than this rubbish.

LOL. Nonsense post.

 

[Captain Apollo]

LOL. Nonsense post.

Agreed.

 

[oikee]

No Oikee, it was at the top of the rung despite its image. An image that David Galoot did nothing to correct and which his mates at news ltd perpetuated.

Yes, exactly what you said.
What i said was upside down and back the front, and i am not even on a bender.
Dont knock benders, just look what it did for sia.

 

[Through the Lens]

LOL. Nonsense post.

Love your work.

But please feel free to elaborate.








If you know how.

 

[Through the Lens]

That is where you are wrong. Gallop is the alternative. He is a rugby league man, he understands rugby league and can be manipulated by the string pullers.
Gallop (or someone that looks like him) is the man that the sydney clubs want back in to run,,,,things.

Look, run away from this code as fast as you can if they get their way, (happen to get rid of Smith and Grant), because the game will be a laughing stock, Eddie Mcguire will be laughing his tits off, and never again can the game be classed as being independent, not when clubs can rid of the independence.

Dave Smith realised a massive problem our code had,,,, Image.

With 4 codes to choose from, our code was at the bottom of the rung because of our image.

Gallop was never the alternative. You never go back. The commission let him go for a reason. I.E. to get a better CEO. Unfortunately they didn't succeed, or succeeded marginally.

The game is only a laughing stock with comments like yours Oinkee. Who cares what a game show host thinks?

This code has never been at the bottom of the ladder. It has always attracted better crowds than both Union and Soccer, better TV ratings than Victorian Football and was looking to expand effectively until the disruptive and insidious Super league debacle.

And who has suggested that anyone wants to rid us of the independent Commission? I don't.

I just want to see that two blokes who have put themselves into a position of power, do their jobs. It's just my strong conviction that they aren't and cannot and need to be replaced with people with better sports management skills and can engage to clubs, players, members and fans. Clearly thats beyong Smith and Grants capacities.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Love your work.

But please feel free to elaborate.

If you know how.

Oh more than just one person knows how. Let's break down your nonsense post then.

You know what? I've been in business at the highest level and know how I would respond to my staff if they let me down.

Firstly, so what? I was involved in helping my family run its business before I was 10 years old, that does not make me an instant management expert. Nor for that matter does it make you. That is of course providing that you are not making it up, which we have no way of proving.

That said there is no 1 management style that is the best. It depends on the situation. You may know about management, but again, so what? Do you know anything about rugby league management?

You don't fall back on protocol with your senior employees. Smith should have had a relationship with Gallen, as NSW captain, Cameron Smith as Qld captain and both as Captain and Vice captain of Australia.

If he didn't, then it just reinforces my position that he is a poor leader. His relationship should be one that he gets on the phone and says whats going on. Instead he shuffles into some back room, with a do not disturb sign, and ignors attempts from his State Captain to make amends , if not apologise. So Smith relies on the paltry excuse of Protocol and process or procedure to both avoid communication with a State Captain and with his COO who wanted to relay the message.

Firstly, the ARL Commission does not employ Paul Gallen nor Cameron Smith. They are employees of the Cronulla Sharks RLFC and the Melbourne Storm respectively. So for a self proclaimed management expert, you aren't even aware of those basic facts now are you? :crazy:

As to "avoiding messages", sorry says who? You are the one proclaiming that. My boss gets heaps of telephone calls, e-mails and texts she does not drop everything to reply to each one of them that are about the same thing.

Also, you might want to look at using a spell checker.

A leader steps on the front foot and leads. He should have been on the phone to gallen immediately he heard of the gaff and said, "Paul, what the hell are you up to?" Instead of shufffling off and hiding in a corner for days. That's what leaders do. they speak man to man.

Actually a leader makes sure they have all the facts first and then makes a considered decision. They don't rush off and make one to suit the media deadlines. I didn't realise that meant he has to drop everything to respond personally to ever little issue.

If you are such a great manager, you must have gotten nothing done as you would never finish anything as when something new came up you would drop everything to deal with it.

Sorry this bloke is just not up to it.

He has to go.

Tell your friends.

As such, David Smith does not have to go based on your rants at all. Don't like him? Fine, but please, stop with the bulldust.

 

[LineBall]

I just want to see that two blokes who have put themselves into a position of power, do their jobs. It's just my strong conviction that they aren't and cannot and need to be replaced with people with better sports management skills and can engage to clubs, players, members and fans. Clearly thats beyong Smith and Grants capacities.

What are you basing this on? What you read in the papers? How the hell would you know what David Smith does on a daily basis?

 

[papabear]

It is a misconception that the storm are funded by more successful Sydney clubs.

They get a couple of million a year extra from the NRL. Having a rugby league side in Melbourne however adds more then a couple of million a year to the tv contract.

Arguably the storm are subsidising other clubs through what they add to the tv contract.

 

[alien]

To really understand the damage caused is to now realise that Redcliffe cant even get a 3 million federal government grant across the line.

Feds owe 700 billion.
Qld Gov owe 80 billion.

NRL will be 100 million in the black.

looking at those figures, perhaps it should be the nrl who pays the extra 3 million

 

[alien]

do they not already have a good enough ground for qld cup games???

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

looking at those figures, perhaps it should be the nrl who pays the extra 3 million

Forgetting that NRL revenue is $300 million compared to National GDP of $1.5 trillion, yeah, the NRL are the ones with cash to burn....

 

[Perth Red]

Gallop was never the alternative. You never go back. The commission let him go for a reason. I.E. to get a better CEO. Unfortunately they didn't succeed, or succeeded marginally.

The game is only a laughing stock with comments like yours Oinkee. Who cares what a game show host thinks?

This code has never been at the bottom of the ladder. It has always attracted better crowds than both Union and Soccer, better TV ratings than Victorian Football and was looking to expand effectively until the disruptive and insidious Super league debacle.

And who has suggested that anyone wants to rid us of the independent Commission? I don't.

I just want to see that two blokes who have put themselves into a position of power, do their jobs. It's just my strong conviction that they aren't and cannot and need to be replaced with people with better sports management skills and can engage to clubs, players, members and fans. Clearly thats beyong Smith and Grants capacities.

Not sure exactly why you feel they are failing? Lets look at some of your points and the reality of where the game is at:

1. re Gallen - you say you've been in business 20 years, well so have I and I can tell you if a snr member of my staff posted that about my business they would not be working there come Monday. a $50k fine was a slap on the wrist and he should count himself very lucky he is a mollycoddled sports star and not having to be an employee in the real world.
2. Finances - clubs are getting bigger grants by a long way than ever before, the game has a suprplus of cash it is investing for the future, players are earning more than ever before, the 2nd tier comps clubs are getting bigger grants than ever before. Not sure you can say there has been any kind of financial failure by this regime
3. Attendances - static but not falling like the AFL and Super15
4. Tv audiences - falling but in line with general decrease in tv audiences across sport and broader viewing, not helped by the terrible presentation of our game by Ch9
5. Memberships - increasing strongly
6. National growth - put in place an expansion review process that has now commenced at NRL level. Conducted a grass roots review that has led to greater control of WARL and NTRL and brought all the DO's around the country under one management structure to ensure consistency and quality

Really the only thing they are not doing well imo is dealing with the sydney oversaturation/stadiums quickly enough though this is the most contentious issue in the game so needs to be handled carefully, and would like to see much better funding for start up grants, equipment grants, national insurance scheme, kit scheme etc etc to make it easier to get schools and new jnr clubs up and running plus some better funding to affiliated states to help them push on and really grow strong and country areas to help support those struggling regions.

So tell us what do you consider so bad you want rid of the current regime and who would you replace it with and what would you have them do different?

 

[alien]

Forgetting that NRL revenue is $300 million compared to National GDP of $1.5 trillion, yeah, the NRL are the ones with cash to burn....

the nrl arent the ones in billions of dollars in debt. why should the government waste millions of dollars when they are already in billions of dollars in debt? for what? a stadium for a qld cup side? the world doesnt revolve around rugby league, or any sport for that matter. believe it or not there are more important things, and thats coming from someone who loves rugby league

 

[Perth Red]

the nrl arent the ones in billions of dollars in debt. why should the government waste millions of dollars when they are already in billions of dollars in debt? for what? a stadium for a qld cup side? the world doesnt revolve around rugby league, or any sport for that matter. believe it or not there are more important things, and thats coming from someone who loves rugby league

Funding of sports areanas is a funny thing for Govt, on one hand they are used by for profit businesses so you could argue tax payers shouldnt be paying for them after all we dont build supermarkets for Coles. on the other hand we expect for a city to be vibrant and a place where people want to move to and live to have public facilities like galleries, museums, rec centres, concert venues and sports venues. Ideally you would see sports venues have broader public benefits such as community resource areas, training rooms, play group areas etc etc built into the suburban ones that operate all week long to justify the Govt or councils putting money in.

 

[Parra]

The sport makes millions a year and returns nothing to the community. As soon as pokie taxes were mentioned the first things threatened were the community services that the social clubs provide. I can't see why the taxpayers should fund a venue for this business any more than they should fund a new Westfields shopping centre.

The government could concentrate on funds for the areas that are now neglected by the sport - junior clubs & facilities.

 

[Parra]

More people go to Westfields that sporting venues. Doesn't mean the government should build the shopping centres though.

 

[maccattack]

Fargunell first GW claims he played in the NRL now PR is a high flying business exec.

Hey guys did i tell you i used to be in Slayer?

 

[alien]

Funding of sports areanas is a funny thing for Govt, on one hand they are used by for profit businesses so you could argue tax payers shouldnt be paying for them after all we dont build supermarkets for Coles. on the other hand we expect for a city to be vibrant and a place where people want to move to and live to have public facilities like galleries, museums, rec centres, concert venues and sports venues. Ideally you would see sports venues have broader public benefits such as community resource areas, training rooms, play group areas etc etc built into the suburban ones that operate all week long to justify the Govt or councils putting money in.

well if it was for an nrl team, then sure, but dont they have a ground that is already good enough for qld cup??? if you waste millions on a ground that isnt really needed, then a lots of other towns will start demanding the same thing