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[TruSaint]

I've re-read this thread from start to finish and I'm still confused about what is actually being debated. Where is the actual publication of the record table of premierships that is being debated?

Isn't it simply a fact that Saint George won 15 premierships as a stand-alone Club and Saint George Illawarra have won 1 premiership as a joint-venture? (PS: I do know the difference between a JV and a merger).

If the table is of first grade premierships won by clubs currently playing in the NRL - then it's StGI: 1. (and, yes, Souths have a large number because they remained a stand-alone club - and all credit to them!). These are simply the facts.

If it's a table of first grade premierships won by clubs playing the game of rugby league in Australia - then it's Saint George : 15 and StGI : 1. These are facts too.

It's also undeniable that Saint George was an incredibly successful sports club but StGI hasn't been. The JV was always a terrible thing in my opinion. I couldn't believe it when the great Saint George club allowed its brand and heritage to be diluted in such a way. I'd love to see us go back to being a free-standing club again, but I expect corporate BS will dictate the future.

So, as far as I can see, it's just a matter of what's actually being tabulated. The NRL can publish a half-baked table if it chooses to. Surely, the StGI JV club, publishes a table showing 16 premierships doesn't it?

Fair enough,

I would dispute the fact that our Club publishes 16 titles. It selectively refers to our history in time frames.

From Dragons.com.au

The Super League War of the the mid-1990s had many casualties, and the St George Dragons and Illawarra Steelers were not immune to this dark chapter in Australian rugby league history.

However, the introduction of the St George Illawarra Dragons to the National Rugby League ahead of the 1999 season ensured that two of rugby league's grandest areas were represented in the game's elite competition come the turn of the century.

[IMG alt="Inaugural 1999 squad. Players back row: Mathew Rodwell, Jason Hooper, Trent Barrett, Craig Stapleton, Craig Smith, Andrew Hart, Jamie Ainscough, Lance Thompson, Corey Pearson. Middle row: Anthony Mundine, Brad Mackay, Shaun Timmins, Luke Patten, Terry Lamey, Colin Ward, Chris Leikvoll, Craig Fitzgibbon, Darren Treacy. Front row: Nathan Brown, Lee Murphy, Mark Coyne, Paul McGregor, Nathan Blacklock, Rod Wishart, Wayne Bartrim.
"]https://www.dragons.com.au/contenta...er=0.3,0.5&preset=photo-inline[/IMG]Inaugural 1999 squad. Players back row: Mathew Rodwell, Jason Hooper, Trent Barrett, Craig Stapleton, Craig Smith, Andrew Hart, Jamie Ainscough, Lance Thompson, Corey Pearson. Middle row: Anthony Mundine, Brad Mackay, Shaun Timmins, Luke Patten, Terry Lamey, Colin Ward, Chris Leikvoll, Craig Fitzgibbon, Darren Treacy. Front row: Nathan Brown, Lee Murphy, Mark Coyne, Paul McGregor, Nathan Blacklock, Rod Wishart, Wayne Bartrim.
With a death sentence hanging over the heads of clubs who weren't viable by the 2000 season, either financially or through other means, the Dragons and Steelers were the first clubs to merge.

Together, a septet of current and future Steelers internationals in Paul McGregor, Craig Smith, Rod Wishart, Craig Fitzgibbon, Shaun Timmins, Trent Barrett and Brad Mackay joined forces with Nathan Blacklock, Anthony Mundine, Jamie Ainscough, Wayne Bartrim and Mark Coyne, and quickly became a powerhouse.

This is the story of the St George Illawarra Dragons.

I cant find anywhere on the site that refers to 16 titles. I may be wrong.
My point is that at the time of the JV, the board should have ensured a continuity of the brand that was St George. I dont blame Illawarra for joining with us.

 

[WTC]

My point has been when i said to a Souths supporter that Saints Have won as many GFs as Souths, he pointed out that is correct, 15 each, but you guys will never catch us now as you are forever on 15, unless the JV wins 15 in a hurry, he is in fact right. I just can't believe that this point was non negotiable as part of the JV agreement with the NRL, irks me.

 

[WTC]

The other side to the argument is that the Wests Tigers have won the same amount of premierships as us, Balmain 11, Wests 4, Wests Tigers 1, we know that is not right, you can't have it both ways.

 

[Willow]

The other side to the argument is that the Wests Tigers have won the same amount of premierships as us, Balmain 11, Wests 4, Wests Tigers 1, we know that is not right, you can't have it both ways.

"We" know this?

That's a matter for the West Tigers and their supporters to decide. You can't speak for them anymore than they can speak for you.

Indeed, you can't have it both ways.

 

[WTC]

On the basis of your view, Wests Tigers equal our premierships, agreed.

 

[bad boy bubby]

I'm going to help you guys in determining what is what with a simple question:
How many wooden spoons have you received?

 

[Yow]

On the basis of your view, Wests Tigers equal our premierships, agreed.

I looked after my grandchildren last night they had a movie on and a song game on LET IT GO LET IT GO i suggest you do the same,

 

[Willow]

On the basis of your view, Wests Tigers equal our premierships, agreed.

And that's where you just lost the debate.

 

[WTC]

According to your criteria that is exactly where you have no leg to stand on. Point out the difference between the 16 premierships that your saying the JV of St George Illawarra have won & why the JV of Wests Tigers have not won 16

 

[WTC]

Funny thing is , St George Illawarra & Wests Tigers have won the same amount of premierships, unfortunately it is not 16 each.

 

[TruSaint]

According to your criteria that is exactly where you have no leg to stand on. Point out the difference between the 16 premierships that your saying the JV of St George Illawarra have won & why the JV of Wests Tigers have not won 16

I wont speak for @Willow , but Im fairly confident his defence is that there is a legal and structural difference between a joint-venture and a merger. Which is indeed true.

 

[WTC]

That’s why I said JV, if you must split hairs, I do think it’s quite irrelevant to the amount of premierships that St George Illawarra have won

 

[Willow]

LOL. WTC just wants to have the last word.