Do we keep Sandow?

[hineyrulz]

Does things once?

He has been consistent this year, and when people take the biased hatred away he has actually played well.

Some keys stats for playmakers that he is doing well in:

Try Assists: He has 6 and is coming third. (only behind Moylan and Thurston)
40/20s: He is first with 2 for the season.
Kicks to open play: He is 6th with 17 (behind Hunt, Marshall, Cronk, Mullen and DCE)

That is only a couple of stats I can find (for some reason stats are very hard to locate :lol: but he clearly isn't doing things once and never repeating them).

Hes been consistent this year??? Well that I'll do me, he was fantastic against a poor Manly and he was very good in a great team effort against Souths. He had a good game against Newcastle but you must have missed his other 6 game this season he has been garbage. If you are happy to have him here next year you are kidding yourself. We will never ever be a threat with such an inconsistent rocks and diamonds player like him.

 

[Chipmunk]

When you don't hit the fullback or winger on the full. Basically not giving them the extra 10-15m the get when they do catch a ball on the full.

Where did you find that stat from?

It's a very random stat, one I think has alot more value than the current metres run.

 

[T.S Quint]

Sandow hates kicking on the last tackle in attacking zones.
He almost always runs it. I don't know where you are seeing these repeat sets he's getting?
He won't even put up a cross-field bomb for our wingers, let alone a "depth" little grubber.

 

[Joely01]

Where did you find that stat from?

It's a very random stat, one I think has alot more value than the current metres run.

http://rugbyleagueweek.com.au/top-10s/

 

[Chipmunk]

Sandow hates kicking on the last tackle in attacking zones.
He almost always runs it. I don't know where you are seeing these repeat sets he's getting?
He won't even put up a cross-field bomb for our wingers, let alone a "depth" little grubber.

We have a real problem being able to kick 'bombs'. It was very evident when we tried to kick someone yesterday that our halves are just not capable of kicking them.

 

[Joely01]

Sandow hates kicking on the last tackle in attacking zones.
He almost always runs it. I don't know where you are seeing these repeat sets he's getting?
He won't even put up a cross-field bomb for our wingers, let alone a "depth" little grubber.

He has a much better short kicking game than Norman.

Yesterday he had to pass it to Norman to kick in attacking zones quite a few times, thanks to Melbourne being about 3-4 metres off side every time we had a kick inside the 20m zone.

 

[Chipmunk]

http://rugbyleagueweek.com.au/top-10s/

I note that you failed to list he was 3rd on the missed tackle list also.

Nice selective use of stats.

Incidentally, with Sandow's 9 missed tackles from the weekend (Yes...9!) and Maloney and Gagai only missing 2 tackles each, that Sandow has now righly assumed the top of the Missed Tackles list...

Missing tackles is definitely one thing he can do more than once...

 

[Chipmunk]

He has a much better short kicking game than Norman.

Yesterday he had to pass it to Norman to kick in attacking zones quite a few times, thanks to Melbourne being about 3-4 metres off side every time we had a kick inside the 20m zone.

Both of them are woeful, at every single facet of a halves play, inside the oppostions 20 metre area.

 

[hineyrulz]

I note that you failed to list he was 3rd on the missed tackle list also.

Nice selective use of stats.

Incidentally, with Sandow's 9 missed tackles from the weekend (Yes...9!) and Maloney and Gagai only missing 2 tackles each, that Sandow has now righly assumed the top of the Missed Tackles list...

Missing tackles is definitely one thing he can do more than once...

Its funny Joely left out the missed tackle stats

 

[Joely01]

I note that you failed to list he was 3rd on the missed tackle list also.

Nice selective use of stats.

Incidentally, with Sandow's 9 missed tackles from the weekend (Yes...9!) and Maloney and Gagai only missing 2 tackles each, that Sandow has now righly assumed the top of the Missed Tackles list...

Missing tackles is definitely one thing he can do more than once...

Just like you fail to mention the good things he does.
I can be selective as well.

I love how you now try and change your argument. It started off as Sandow only does things once, and now its gone back to the "he misses tackles".

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Sandow, when on is one of the best in the team in attack. That's been about 3 times this year, and I'm guessing that's where all of his good stats have come from. When he's off he's no doubt the worst in the team and that's when we've lost and his stats have been poor. I'd much rather someone who has less ability but has consistency each week.

Also someone who runs straight at the opposition defence forcing them to make a decision rather than just running across the field. I reckon Sandow should have the "crab" tag over Sef Paulo now.

 

[hindy111]

Sandow has had his chance as i have said in other threads- Mcrone or cornish would do as good a job.

 

[Chipmunk]

Just like you fail to mention the good things he does.
I can be selective as well.

I love how you now try and change your argument. It started off as Sandow only does things once, and now its gone back to the "he misses tackles".

Well if you go back to the original post that I made the comment on that he does things once, it was in response to a post that someone said something to the effect that Sandow "constantly" places the ball in the in-goal area from inside the oppositions 20 and gets repeat sets or "constantly" kicks the ball into the in-goal area from 30 metres out with pinpoint accuracy. Show me instances where he has done both of these things more than once? I doubt you can.

We all know that he can missed tackles more than once, but I didn't see that has relevant to the argument until it was on a page that you yourself indicated that you got the stats from. But you mentioned all his good stats, but failed to mention the stats that make him a poor player also. There were actually lists he wasnt in the top 10 for in that page that also make him look ineffective.

 

[Chipmunk]

Sandow has had his chance as i have said in other threads- Mcrone or cornish would do as good a job.

I'm probably Sandow's harshest critic, but not even I would consider McCrone a better option to be honest.

Cornish is young and may have potential and is worth considering, but at this stage I'd probably just prefer to stick with Norman for one more season.

 

[Joely01]

Well if you go back to the original post that I made the comment on that he does things once, it was in response to a post that someone said something to the effect that Sandow "constantly" places the ball in the in-goal area from inside the oppositions 20 and gets repeat sets or "constantly" kicks the ball into the in-goal area from 30 metres out with pinpoint accuracy. Show me instances where he has done both of these things more than once? I doubt you can.

We all know that he can missed tackles more than once, but I didn't see that has relevant to the argument until it was on a page that you yourself indicated that you got the stats from. But you mentioned all his good stats, but failed to mention the stats that make him a poor player also. There were actually lists he wasnt in the top 10 for in that page that also make him look ineffective.

I'm not going to do your job for you and point out stats he doesn't shine in :lol:

The Roosters halves were the worst at getting repeat sets last year, should they have got rid of Pearce and Maloney because of this?


The biggest thing I think everyone is missing is defence, and how our team defend a silly mistake or a miss kick (for example). We seem to basically drop our head straight away.
For example that double movement yesterday, most teams aim up after that and will have a big defensive set to make up for it. We drop our head, become soft and let in a try.

There is much bigger problems in this team at the moment other than Sandow.

 

[hindy111]

You watch the Duke snap up Cornish.....

 

[Chipmunk]

I'm not going to do your job for you and point out stats he doesn't shine in :lol:

The Roosters halves were the worst at getting repeat sets last year, should they have got rid of Pearce and Maloney because of this?


The biggest thing I think everyone is missing is defence, and how our team defend a silly mistake or a miss kick (for example). We seem to basically drop our head straight away.
For example that double movement yesterday, most teams aim up after that and will have a big defensive set to make up for it. We drop our head, become soft and let in a try.

There is much bigger problems in this team at the moment other than Sandow.

You see, here is another skewed statistic you've tried to use. You have said that Pearce and Maloney were the worst at getting repeat sets last year, which is probably true. But the Roosters were (and probably still are) the number one team at scoring tries from inside the oppositons 20 metre area. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd rather actually score the tries over getting repeat sets any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

I agree that I don't think that Sandow is the biggest problem with the team. My arguments aren't with the way Sandow is playing now. I really couldn't care, because I know what he's like and what he can and cannot do.

My arguments are about whether we should keep him or not.

We're spending $1.2millon on one half and $450k on another for 2016. There's no reason for Sandow to be here unless he wants minimum wage.

I also don't see too many clubs trying to get him.

 

[Joely01]

You see, here is another skewed statistic you've tried to use. You have said that Pearce and Maloney were the worst at getting repeat sets last year, which is probably true. But the Roosters were (and probably still are) the number one team at scoring tries from inside the oppositons 20 metre area. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd rather actually score the tries over getting repeat sets any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

I agree that I don't think that Sandow is the biggest problem with the team. My arguments aren't with the way Sandow is playing now. I really couldn't care, because I know what he's like and what he can and cannot do.

My arguments are about whether we should keep him or not.

We're spending $1.2millon on one half and $450k on another for 2016. There's no reason for Sandow to be here unless he wants minimum wage.

I also don't see too many clubs trying to get him.

Give us Tupou next year and let Sandow kick to him on the last and watch the tries we get.

Yes we are spending a bit, but don't forget both halves for next year don't have the greatest kicking game..... something you seem fairly worried about with Sandows game atm.

But I like the fact we are getting somewhere after a full day of talking about it :lol:

 

[84 Baby]

Sandow has had his chance as i have said in other threads- Mcrone or cornish would do as good a job.

For Wenty? Or can they play fullback? We already have 2 halves for next year, why add more?

 

[Chipmunk]

Give us Tupou next year and let Sandow kick to him on the last and watch the tries we get.

Yes we are spending a bit, but don't forget both halves for next year don't have the greatest kicking game..... something you seem fairly worried about with Sandows game atm.

But I like the fact we are getting somewhere after a full day of talking about it :lol:

Well...why would we wait for Tupou to come. Is he the only f#$king winger in the NRL who can catch a f#$king crossfield kick or something?

If Sandow could effectively crossfield kick to a winger he'd be doing it now.

I think your not giving enough credit to the kickers when tries from a kick are scored. How many times have we even attempted an effective crossfield kick?

Like most things Sandow does, he's kicking game, outside of the odd 40/20, is terribly overrated.