News Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

[ULYSSES]

Where does the money for his wages come from?
Sportsmen and women are glorified advertising agents who are also capable of playing a sport well. We can debate if that’s a good or bad situation but nobody gets paid by throwing a ball around.

Pommy, you normally make a lot of sense but please lock the Liquor cabinet and go to bed.

 

[unforgiven]

Nope, not saying that at all, sorry. You don't know what responsibilities people ask for, if I apply for a managerial position I want the extra money but need to take on extra responsibility.

Some roles do have more responsibilities than others. Some people are mandatory reporters and some are not.

I am not saying because Folau is a celebrity he cannot say what he says, he is allowed to, but if Folau is signing as the face of Rugby in Australia then there would likely be some conditions to his contract outside the Rugby field, in fact I would be surprised if any professional team in the country didn't have something similar. If you disagree with having those conditions then you are free to think that way, I am not trying to change your mind but let's not pretend they don't exist. Just don't put words in my mouth because you don't like my argument.

The question that will be ask though is should employers have the right to put restrictions on what employees can say in their own time. I do not believe an employer should have that right.

 

[unforgiven]

Where does the money for his wages come from?
Sportsmen and women are glorified advertising agents who are also capable of playing a sport well. We can debate if that’s a good or bad situation but nobody gets paid by throwing a ball around.

That is rubbish, if that was the case clubs would be employing the best speakers and not the best players. The majority of Rugby League clubs lose money. They are not advertising agencies. Also if that was the case players that have refused to have corporate sponsors on their kits would not have been selected in their teams.

 

[TheFrog]

According to the Bible, there's only room for 144,000 in Heaven, all from the tribes of Israel.

I suspect that among all the things changed by Jesus, the amount of room in heaven might well be one of them.

 

[ULYSSES]

Nope, not saying that at all, sorry. You don't know what responsibilities people ask for, if I apply for a managerial position I want the extra money but need to take on extra responsibility.

Some roles do have more responsibilities than others. Some people are mandatory reporters and some are not.

I am not saying because Folau is a celebrity he cannot say what he says, he is allowed to, but if Folau is signing as the face of Rugby in Australia then there would likely be some conditions to his contract outside the Rugby field, in fact I would be surprised if any professional team in the country didn't have something similar. If you disagree with having those conditions then you are free to think that way, I am not trying to change your mind but let's not pretend they don't exist. Just don't put words in my mouth because you don't like my argument.

Folau did not breech his contract. he has allegedly not complied with the Code of Conduct. The question is does the Code of Conduct become invalid if it contravenes statute law?

 

[SBD82]

The question that will be ask though is should employers have the right to put restrictions on what employees can say in their own time. I do not believe an employer should have that right.

Can you think of any exception to that rule? Or do you think it’s black and white?

 

[unforgiven]

Can you think of any exception to that rule? Or do you think it’s black and white?

Freedom of speech is black and white? You either have it or you don't.

 

[SBD82]

Freedom of speech is black and white? You either have it or you don't.

Well no, it isn’t and never has been. Because definitions of free speech vary.

Edit. But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about an employers right to dictate what an employee posts online in their private time.

 

[TheFrog]

Israel signs a contract with responsibilities he chooses not to adhere to.

The court will be asked to determine whether the responsibilities were in fact lawful, and if so whether dismissal was the appropriate sanction given all the circumstances..

 

[typicalfan]

Folau did not breech his contract. he has allegedly not complied with the Code of Conduct. The question is does the Code of Conduct become invalid if it contravenes statute law?

Yes, I agree with the question.

 

[ULYSSES]

A "new earth"? Gee, haven't heard that one before. You might want to read your Bible again; it doesn't mention any new earth.

According to the Bible, there's only room for 144,000 in Heaven, all from the tribes of Israel.
Even if you were a Jew, it's fair to say that you'd be shit out of luck as it would have put up the No Vacancy sign a long time ago.

But you know, you could always hope that the Big Guy will take pity & whack up a few tents in His backyard. Who knows?

Legion, I don't know what Bible you are reading, but please burn it before you do. Love you, pray for you. Cheers.

 

[unforgiven]

Well no, it isn’t and never has been. Because definitions of free speech vary.

Edit. But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about an employers right to dictate what an employee posts online in their private time.

Yes you are right, and I probably answered that too quick. Things that incite, slander, pornography or breach the privacy of others probably would fall outside the areas Im talking about.

I do not believe an employer should have the right to dictate what an employee posts or says in their own time.

 

[typicalfan]

The question that will be ask though is should employers have the right to put restrictions on what employees can say in their own time. I do not believe an employer should have that right.

It could end up that way. It will come down to whether the code of conduct is lawful and enforceable at that time. I am not saying it definitely is, but plenty of professions exist like this.

 

[unforgiven]

It could end up that way. It will come down to whether the code of conduct is lawful and enforceable at that time. I am not saying it definitely is, but plenty of professions exist like this.

Yes they do, including the one I work in. Doesn't mean I think they should be able to dictate what their employees can say.

 

[SBD82]

I do not believe an employer should have the right to dictate what an employee posts or says in their own time.

What if Folau had used social media to say that AFL is the superior sport, and Rugby Union is a long way behind both AFL and Rugby League?

Do you think in that situation it would be ok for the ARU to request that he stop? And if he failed to do so, to terminate his contract?

 

[typicalfan]

Yes they do, including the one I work in. Doesn't mean I think they should be able to dictate what their employees can say.

This is the classic bringing the game into disrepute which would be found in most player agreements.

I am not saying it is right or wrong but are you saying that this type of clause shouldn't exist?

 

[Iafeta]

Yes you are right, and I probably answered that too quick. Things that incite, slander, pornography or breach the privacy of others probably would fall outside the areas Im talking about.

I do not believe an employer should have the right to dictate what an employee posts or says in their own time.

They don’t.

Unless you agree to work for an organisation that has amongst its policies a social media policy that prohibits it. Most commonly to avoid brand damage.

I don’t have a high profile job that Folau did, but I had to accept it as a condition of my employment. Could have gone elsewhere of course, but I accept it as a condition to work in a great job.

 

[Foreign Legion]

We are talking about a guy who plays for a rival sport on a rugby league forum and what he said whether it's right or wrong.

Why are we giving this so much air time?

 

[ULYSSES]

They don’t.

Unless you agree to work for an organisation that has amongst its policies a social media policy that prohibits it. Most commonly to avoid brand damage.

I don’t have a high profile job that Folau did, but I had to accept it as a condition of my employment. Could have gone elsewhere of course, but I accept it as a condition to work in a great job.

Folau is fighting his dismissal (I understand) on the basis that the code of conduct did not prevent him practicing his religion. Did your agreement specify this?

 

[SBD82]

We are talking about a guy who plays for a rival sport on a rugby league forum and what he said whether it's right or wrong.

Why are we giving this so much air time?

Probably because of the thread title?