News Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

[TheFrog]

To me it depends on what is in their social media policy, any other policies that may be applicable, etc.

There is such a policy, and AFAIK it is still available online, but it is nowhere near specific enough that you could be sure one way or another what a court will decide in the circumstances.

 

[ULYSSES]

That’s two separate issues though isn’t it.

If I read what you are saying correctly, then the only way to change that would be through legislation I imagine. But in saying that, if we all had carte Blanche to say as we feel, imagine how organisations who rely heavily on sponsorship funds will go. These sponsorship funds contribute heavily to the player payments. Imagine if players went on twitter and tweeted things that customers of Foxtel who contribute enormous monies to the NRL and therefore the players found offensive. Imagine if those customers took action by unsubscribing. They need to protect themselves commercially, otherwise how do to sustain the revenue to pay the players what they are paid?

I feel the real question is whether Rugby Australia has covered themselves either contractually or via their policies.

Maybe Rugby Australia has sold itself short. To appease Qantas it fired Falou. In three days he has had the annual equivalent of over $67mi;;ion towards his legals. Maybe falou was worth more to RA than Qantas

 

[Iafeta]

I feel that will be one of Folau's defences during his case.

To be honest I do not care about the reputations of big organisations, I have a greater concern for for people freedom of expression. Why should an organistion have a right to tell a person what they can say in their own time. If he was expressing these views in his interviews after the game or in his role as an ARU employee then they would have a point. When he is own his own time they can back out of people's lives.

Ok but Folau chose to work for a big organisation.

If he just wanted to express his views, he would have perfectly entitled to do so. All he had to do was exit his contract. But he wanted to keep earning the money that he was, and in so doing, depending on what policies and agreements were in place, he is bound by them. There’s two sides of the agreement - Folau performs as a rugby player and is bound to the conditions of his employment, and Rugby Australia pays him. Can you imagine the reaction if Rugby Australia decided they didn’t want to pay him anymore? But you seem ok that Israel Folau did not want to honour what appears to be his side of the agreement.

 

[ULYSSES]

Why so upset? Have I upset your invisible friend?[/QUOTe







What could possibly cause you to think I have an invisible friend? You mentioned that some people bothered God and then offered insight that only a God could know. Are you my invisible friend?

 

[Styles clash]

He's a hateful bigot who won't keep his mouth shut.

 

[unforgiven]

Ok but Folau chose to work for a big organisation.

If he just wanted to express his views, he would have perfectly entitled to do so. All he had to do was exit his contract. But he wanted to keep earning the money that he was, and in so doing, depending on what policies and agreements were in place, he is bound by them. There’s two sides of the agreement - Folau performs as a rugby player and is bound to the conditions of his employment, and Rugby Australia pays him. Can you imagine the reaction if Rugby Australia decided they didn’t want to pay him anymore? But you seem ok that Israel Folau did not want to honour what appears to be his side of the agreement.

That is not what I am saying, I'm saying I do not believe those things should be in his agreement in the 1st place. Look at it from the other end of the scale, someone who is on minimum wage that is part of a union and fighting for the right of other workers. Should an organisation have a right to censor what they say? The fact that Folau is on a large contract is irrelevant. Should an organisation in a small community have a right to stop someone preaching about their religion in their community?

 

[Iafeta]

There would be a lot of jobs out there without those conditions @unforgiven

No one held a gun to Israel Folaus head and said he must sign for that organisation.

He accepted the conditions, because he wanted the income that it gave him.

 

[typicalfan]

These agreements if done right are to protect the interests of the organisation and the players. I am not sure how it is done in RU but for example, before the No Fault stand down policy could be enforced, it needed to be endorsed by the RLPA.

 

[ULYSSES]

There would be a lot of jobs out there without those conditions @unforgiven

No one held a gun to Israel Folaus head and said he must sign for that organisation.

He accepted the conditions, because he wanted the income that it gave him.

And no one as far as we know told him he could not practice his religion.

 

[unforgiven]

There would be a lot of jobs out there without those conditions @unforgiven

No one held a gun to Israel Folaus head and said he must sign for that organisation.

He accepted the conditions, because he wanted the income that it gave him.

I am well aware of that, I do not believe that there should be!

 

[ULYSSES]

earlier in this thread I asked what is next if freedom to practice religion is stopped. I just read a council in Stockport, Manchester has ordered an 81 year old woman to stop wearing a Bikini (depends on figure).
Less than 40 years ago I headed a group representing certain lawful building projects. the protesters demands were subjective. I suggested it could be a future problem if the protesters wanted all buildings be triple fronted red brick. The protesters said that was stretching the bow, they would never get so specific. In that same LGA today you are told what material you can build your house out of, which way the front door must face and what side your paved driveway must be on, (NSW Coastal)
The principle _ who decides for us - this is what Folau is fighting for - freedom of thought and action. Choose wisely

 

[Iafeta]

These agreements if done right are to protect the interests of the organisation and the players. I am not sure how it is done in RU but for example, before the No Fault stand down policy could be enforced, it needed to be endorsed by the RLPA.

Absolutely. It would be nigh on impossible to attract high paying sponsors without these agreements. It’s a big way they moneytise their product and therefore are a big means in protecting the players earning capacity.

 

[Knight Vision]

So because somebody is rich it's okay to strip away their human rights?

Do you really want to go down that path, because the last ideological group that went down that path butchered tens of millions of people!

The Nazi's marginalized a group of people and believed their attacks were divinely mandated and efforts to restore traditional morality were likewise mandated by God

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Sound familiar ? Could be straight out of the mouth of Foulau ....

 

[ULYSSES]

The Nazi's marginalized a group of people and believed their attacks were divinely mandated and efforts to restore traditional morality were likewise mandated by God

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Sound familiar ? Could be straight out of the mouth of Foulau ....

 

[ULYSSES]

Night vision forgot to put his

The Nazi's marginalized a group of people and believed their attacks were divinely mandated and efforts to restore traditional morality were likewise mandated by God

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Sound familiar ? Could be straight out of the mouth of Foulau ....

Oh yeah, Hitler was a godly man. Please put your night goggles on before engaging mouth.

 

[Knight Vision]

Night vision forgot to put his

Oh yeah, Hitler was a godly man. Please put your night goggles on before engaging mouth.

oh I do . You Sir are an intellectual lightweight with a rather skewed or at best vague idea of history . Blinded by the invisible man in the sky, thankfully there are less and less of your kind.

Enjoy tomorrows gathering of comparing clothing and making donations.

 

[ULYSSES]

oh I do . You Sir are an intellectual lightweight with a rather skewed or at best vague idea of history . Blinded by the invisible man in the sky, thankfully there are less and less of your kind.

Enjoy tomorrows gathering of comparing clothing and making donations.

If there is an invisible man in the sky how did you see him. Are you deluded? Oh that's right you are the poster that forewarns everyone that to argue with him is to be drawn down to his idiotic level. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ortfolio-revealed-begs-Australians-money.html

Israel Folau's glittering $6.5MILLION property portfolio is revealed as he begs for money to help him fight Rugby Australia after he was sacked over homophobic posts

• Israel Folau has been caught sitting on a $6.5million glittering property portfolio
• He launched a GoFundMe campaign to fund legal fight against Rugby Australia
• Folau was initally slammed for trying to raise $3million to pay upcoming legal bill
• It has now been revealed Folau actually owns six homes and three blocks of land

By Claudia Poposki and Mark Brook For Daily Mail Australia and Aap

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...revealed-begs-Australians-money.html#comments
Israel Folau's $6.5 million glittering property portfolio has been revealed as the sacked Wallabies star begs for help to fund his legal action against Rugby Australia.

Folau, who has already raked in more than $460,000 from the public to foot the bill for his court case, is sitting on a multi-million dollar property empire.

Daily Mail Australia confirmed on Friday the 30-year-old is the owner of six homes and three blocks of land across New South Wales and Queensland under his own name or through the investment company he runs with his father Eli, Folau Investments Pty Limited.

As an Atheist, gofund this Israel

 

[ULYSSES]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ortfolio-revealed-begs-Australians-money.html



As an Atheist, gofund this Israel

And how much equity does he have in those properties?, how much did his wife contribute? Why does it matter? People are contributing to a cause they think is important. You can deny all you like but people are voting with their wallets.

 

[Legion]

Legion, I don't know what Bible you are reading, but please burn it before you do. Love you, pray for you. Cheers.

Do you really need me to embarrass you by finding chapter & verse?
You really do need to read the entire book, not just the 'good bits' that your pastor/priest tells you to read.

Prayers to the Divine are good. Thank you.