News Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

[Captain Apollo]

Every workplace has a code of conduct, which staff are expected to abide by. For example, I work in the public sector, so my comments on political matters (for example) if I went public saying I worked in Department X and the Government's policies are poor or the like I would expect to be disciplined. That is the nature of my employment. If you want to say a person's religious beliefs mean you can ignore all such stuff, then you may as well throw out codes of conduct. You may as well then throw out certain laws too which people expect as people can claim religious belief as reasons to break them and you shouldn't be able to touch/punish them.

Folau has said this issue is not about money? Really? If it isn't, why didn't he take the settlement offer of $2 million offered by the ARU instead of suing for $10 million?

 

[Captain Apollo]

I hope he wins on free speech grounds.

Then I can tell all my clients to eat a dick and the boss can't fire me.

Beautiful.

The Liberal Party should be right behind this one.

Or more importantly, argue your religious beliefs include getting to swear at Alan Jones any time you see or hear him. Bet they'd all like and support that eh

 

[Pommy]

Trying to frame this issue as one about Religious freedom is stupid.

Though there is that element to it the real concern is freedom of speech, because if RA is allowed to simply fire somebody for an opinion that they don't like (no matter what that opinion is) then there is nothing stopping any other company from firing anybody else for an opinion they don't like.

I don't want to live in a world where a Liberal employer that doesn't like something that a Labour supporting employee (or vice versa) says can fire them for that opinion, that puts way to much power in the hands of people who should never have been afforded it!

And lets be honest for a second here, if the roles were reversed and a person that was supporting gay rights was fired by a 'Christian company' everybody that is currently condemning Folau would be absolutely livid. Well you can't have it both ways, it can't be alright for me but not for thee.

He didn’t get fired for an opinion.
Yes they would be livid and the employee would win their case, Folou won’t.

 

[typicalfan]

They didn’t. And they aren’t.

Which completely undermines the rest of your post.

It is even more the other way that I could find a way to deliberately or wilfully contradict my company's code of conduct, through religious text and fear no consequence. If Folau can do it why can't I?

 

[TheFrog]

No idea why anyone would give the bloke any money for this .

Yet they have, and it is in the millions in just a day or so. There must be a reason. That you cannot work it out doesn't mean there isn't one.

 

[TheFrog]

It is even more the other way that I could find a way to deliberately or wilfully contradict my company's code of conduct, through religious text and fear no consequence. If Folau can do it why can't I?

You can if you want, if you think what he's going through sounds like fun.

 

[grouch]

Yet they have, and it is in the millions in just a day or so. There must be a reason. That you cannot work it out doesn't mean there isn't one.

The Australian Christian Lobby raised and spent big bucks on the same sex marriage survey too. Homophobes will pay money to keep being homophobes.

 

[carcharias]

Yet they have, and it is in the millions in just a day or so. There must be a reason. That you cannot work it out doesn't mean there isn't one.

why did he get the sack?
Then you can explain that to the freaks giving him money.
They can’t seem to work it out.
Maybe you can’t either.

His wife will get the arse next.

Maybe the ACL can sponsor rugby union and netball ?

Hahaha

 

[TheFrog]

The Australian Christian Lobby raised and spent big bucks on the same sex marriage survey too. Homophobes will pay money to keep being homophobes.

Easy on the labels champ. This has been a respectful discussion for the most part.

 

[Pommy]

Easy on the labels champ. This has been a respectful discussion for the most part.

But they are homophobes?

 

[TheFrog]

But they are homophobes?

What is a homophobe?

 

[typicalfan]

You can if you want, if you think what he's going through sounds like fun.

Receiving money from handouts from the general public? Sounds like fun to me.

 

[Pommy]

What is a homophobe?

Israel Folou and the Australian Christian lobby.

 

[TheFrog]

Israel Folou and the Australian Christian lobby.

Predictable. The gays have always been good at inventing and commandeering words. They didn't do very well in this instance. Phobia is fear. Do you think Izzy or the Christians fear gays or merely are dismayed by what they consider their unnatural behaviour?

 

[Quicksilver]

Predictable. The gays have always been good at inventing and commandeering words. They didn't do very well in this instance. Phobia is fear. Do you think Izzy or the Christians fear gays or merely are dismayed by what they consider their unnatural behaviour?

Ever heard of the gay panic defence?

 

[jaseg]

Predictable. The gays have always been good at inventing and commandeering words. They didn't do very well in this instance. Phobia is fear. Do you think Izzy or the Christians fear gays or merely are dismayed by what they consider their unnatural behaviour?

...seriously? You failing to understand a term doesn't = someone else inventing or comandeering it. Talk about a f**king victim mentality over here...

As per Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

Definition of homophobia

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

If the glove fits....

(ps. you'll notice that there is an "or" in that definition - fear is not necessary)

 

[Pommy]

Predictable. The gays have always been good at inventing and commandeering words. They didn't do very well in this instance. Phobia is fear. Do you think Izzy or the Christians fear gays or merely are dismayed by what they consider their unnatural behaviour?

It does sound like an irrational fear to me

 

[carcharias]

God created homosexuality

 

[firechild]

Lots of atheists support him too. Some have even contributed, Why would that be?

Because some atheists are also bigots and want to protect their right to discriminate.

 

[typicalfan]

Predictable. The gays have always been good at inventing and commandeering words. They didn't do very well in this instance. Phobia is fear. Do you think Izzy or the Christians fear gays or merely are dismayed by what they consider their unnatural behaviour?

That sounds pretty irrational to me.