Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[IFR33K]

There’s this very simple narrative that a few of you often throw around.

It typically involves talking about how the forum knew about all of these issues before BA did. You aren’t flat out saying that you are better than BA but one could argue that it is implicit in many of those types of statements.

Well if several people pointed out BA’s flaws as they unfold, no need to hate on them. Not you or anyone else. I can’t help it if you guys are a little slow in the footy department. Nor can I be blamed for your own flaws. That’s not
My fault bud. Let’s just hope they keep playing the way they did.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think coaches also learn how to build into the end of season games.
When to rest certain players, when to reduce training efforts, etc.
Bennett called Bea on it last year as he noticed something BA hadn't recognised. Bellyache has stated that he has a plan and is keeping his eyes on week 1 of the finals now. I wonder if he knew to do that in his first few finals appearances.

His results in his first few finals series suggests he didn't. Or maybe his players just weren't experienced enough?

Year	Finals exit	Origin selections that year
2003	Lost week 2 (0-30)	2
2004	Lost week 2 (18-43)	2
2005	Lost week 2 (16-24)	3

Here's Arthur's first three finals series:

Year	Finals exit	Origin selections that year
2017	Lost week 2 (16-24)	0
2019	Lost week 2 (0-32)	1
2020	Lost week 2 (24-38)	3 (but occurred after the finals)

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I think we need more flip flopping. I've already changed my vote to yes and I'm hoping others will too. Then when we lose next week we can revisit.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Has Brad Arthur been coaching in the NRL for 7 seasons but lacked the experience to know when to rest players and how to pace training efforts?

Since 2017 we finish seasons pretty well:

Year	First six rounds (win %)	Final six rounds (win %)
2014	67%	50%
2015	33%	33%
2016	67%	50%
2017	33%	83%
2018	0%	33%
2019	67%	67%
2020	83%	67%
2021	83%	33% / 50% (depending on next week)

But it's only these past two years we've started like a house on fire. Is that the wrong way to do it? We don't know until we've tried. Until you get it right in rugby league, everything is an experiment.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Well if several people pointed out BA’s flaws as they unfold, no need to hate on them. Not you or anyone else. I can’t help it if you guys are a little slow in the footy department. Nor can I be blamed for your own flaws. That’s not
My fault bud. Let’s just hope they keep playing the way they did.

You aren’t following me. EVERYONE points out his flaws. That’s not what I am talking about.

Because you are slow in the life department, you often fail to understand basic cause and effect.

Any description of events that doesn’t align with your often simplistic positions genuinely confounds you. You also don’t like anyone with a different view to yours, regardless of how well it is considered.

You see it as a threat rather than a learning opportunity. The result is that you often lash out or resort to sarcasm. It’s a shame, but I accept you for who you are.

 

[King-Gutho94]

I think coaches also learn how to build into the end of season games.
When to rest certain players, when to reduce training efforts, etc.
Bennett called Bea on it last year as he noticed something BA hadn't recognised. Bellyache has stated that he has a plan and is keeping his eyes on week 1 of the finals now. I wonder if he knew to do that in his first few finals appearances.

Bellamy got Melbourne to week 2 in each of his first 3 years.

It took 4 cracks for him to get to a preliminary final/Grand final despite it being an illegal team

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I’m sure it doesn’t hurt but how many NRL coaches do you know that have said they won or lost a premiership based on experience? Is Paul Green a better coach now than when he won a competition?

Maybe it shows that coaching isn't the main factor that goes into winning a premiership. There's also a lot of luck involved. Ricky Stuart was obviously a much more experienced and better coach in 2019 than he was in 2002, but in both cases the strength of the Roosters squad blew its opponents out of the water. The difference was Stuart had the good fortune to be coaching the Roosters in 2002 and the misfortune to be facing them in 2019. Would Robinson have gotten the Raiders into the 2019 grand final, much less won it?

 

[King-Gutho94]

We since 2017 we finish seasons pretty well:

Year	First six rounds (win %)	Final six rounds (win %)
2014	67%	50%
2015	33%	33%
2016	67%	50%
2017	33%	83%
2018	0%	33%
2019	67%	67%
2020	83%	67%
2021	83%	33% / 50% (depending on next week)

But it's only these past two years we've started like a house on fire. Is that the wrong way to do it? We don't know until we've tried. Until you get it right in rugby league, everything is an experiment.

Still beneficial to start the year strong. It sets up a good base for the season and your not using petrol tickets to make the finals at the back end. And can afford a patchy month during the year. Throw in origin period is always a lottery depending on availability.

Unless you have a big surge like we did in 2009 where we rode the momentum its pretty hard to start the year poorly and come from the clouds to be a premiership threat

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I agree with you. I think roster quality is far more important when it comes to winning a title than coaching experience though. Do you think we’ve lost finals because the coach lacked experience?

No, we lost them because the players lacked experience in big games compared to our opponents.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think experience is key - but to be more specific, winning experience is key.

I think you can learn as much from a loss, and that is possibly more true in the finals. I think finals losses are certainly more of a motivator than the wins.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There’s this very simple narrative that a few of you often throw around.

It typically involves talking about how the forum knew about all of these issues before BA did. You aren’t flat out saying that you are better than BA but one could argue that it is implicit in many of those types of statements.

Yep. "I'm not saying I could do better, but I knew what Arthur's was doing wrong in 2015 and he didn't, the useless looser."

 

[Gary Gutful]

Yep. "I'm not saying I could do better, but I knew what Arthur's was doing wrong in 2015 and he didn't, the useless looser."

One thing I will concede is that if you strip away the bullshit many of them have made some solid points over the years.

It’s just that the delivery can be a bit jarring and the reluctance to put it down to anything other than a simple explanation is at times frustrating.

 

[parra pete]

Think the King and Mitch said it all in the post match interview with FOX....

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Could also indicate an easier draw, less injuries, less origin disruption. The Panthers would probably be ranked higher than the Storm if they weren’t disrupted by origin. The Sea Eagles would probably be ranked lower if they played the Storm and Rabbitohs twice and didn’t play the Bulldogs, Cowboys and Tigers twice.

Well like I said, it's predictive. Have a look at how teams go in the finals based on their points differential relative to their opponents.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Well like I said, it's predictive. Have a look at how teams go in the finals based on their points differential relative to their opponents.

Just f**ken tell us ffs!!

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Where have I stated I could do a better job or it is simple. Ba’s flaws have been evident since 2015. And not much has changed. Last week you were off the bandwagon this week back on it. At least avenger waits a few weeks between flip flopping. It was a great win, let’s hope they keep it up.

first point see @Gary Gutful post….

And not on or off any bandwagon…..

my view has always been..

-BA is doing a decent job….

- we have been slowly building since 2019 when we finally put proper structures in place. And to win the comp you need to continually make the finals and hope for some luck…..

- Not against replacing BA, but it needs to be a better option. Not just a change for the sake of it

- I have made plenty of posts on what I believe is wrong with our attack. Additionally our edge defence is terrible at times…

- and regarding coaching options I have made a few posts supporting Flanagan regarding his offences and that he is unlikely to have the same issue with the eels

- and our 2022 squad is better then our 2021 squad

 

[strider]

Just f**ken tell us ffs!!

ffs pou

 

[Gary Gutful]

And not on or off any bandwagon…..

That’s not what you said the other day at the Kiama Hotel. Said he was a dirty two-headed Lismore-ite.

@Bandwagon

 

[Gary Gutful]

By the way, this poll is completely f**ken irrelevant.

10 years ago there were goons associated with the club that minced about on here and curried favour with deadshit posters that have since disappeared.

But for now I reckon most complaints on here now fall on deaf ears. As they should.

 

[IFR33K]

Far enough BA has his faults, but you really do make out NRL coaching is so simple…..

No it’s not simple but we have a decent coach that’s made some stupid mistakes along the way. Fans have pointed them out. Critics have pointed them out. Rival coaches have pointed them out. Not sure what you’re arguing about. He’s almost had 8 years and every year has ended in tears.