Do you want Brad Arthur as coach

[lucablight]

Possibly.

Though we were a bees dick away from winning last night. I still think we can improve our week to week consistency and become a better team than we currently are but without an X Factor attacking weapon we are at a significant disadvantage. All the good teams have at least one.

Who is Penriths?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Would you consider a switch in roles?

Its an interesting thought but I think the issue I have is that they are both pretty similar. Gutho might have a slightly better passing game which could help us on the right edge. Brown is faster so maybe he'd be better at gaining metres and injecting himself into the attack with his running game.

It could result in a slight improvement but long term I think one of them has to go.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Who is Penriths?

I'd say its Luai.

 

[lucablight]

I'd say its Luai.

He’s had 4 try assists post origin. I don’t think he’s been doing it long enough to say he’s in the same class as the Turbos, Latrells, Munsters. etc

 

[strider]

Would Shane Flanagan change things? I must admit I don't know.

most of our complaints are about our attack having little punch .... I don't recall flanagan's sharks ever being a good attacking team - they were all defense and grunt built around hard working forwards - gallen, lewis, etc etc

I don't know if flano is going to change things .... might our edge defense improve? I think we already have done that a bit

I agree, changing assistants might be the way to go - but I won't pretend I know wtf role they play and whether there are any better ones out there that might make a difference

 

[King-Gutho94]

Since the storm game we’ve played well. I’m still not convinced with BA’s team selection and use of the bench. Lane playing ahead of papa and matto is a joke, but not as funny as stone at 9. Will Ba learn? I don’t know. It’s obvious he can coach thou.

Papa only got 35 mins last night compared to Lane 72. Big stuff up that.

Papa had double the amount of work as well

 

[strider]

The club got it back on track and told Gutho to tell his manager to shut his piehole. The fact that they even had to do that concerns me. His manager would not have spoken to the media without Gutho's blessing.

It came in the middle of a period where we lost 4 in a row and therefore our chances of finishing Top 4.

So yeah, he's the best we have at the moment which is pretty shitty really and speaks to our lack of leadership.

which teams have good leadership atm? .... just the top 4?

if the club told gutho to shut it down then at least he agreed and did it

 

[Gary Gutful]

He’s had 4 try assists post origin. I don’t think he’s been doing it long enough to say he’s in the same class as the Turbos, Latrells, Munsters. etc

3 of those were against us!

Like the majority of the Penrith team he has been down since origin but there was a reason he was picked!

He's a dynamic runner who has an incredible ability to flick in and out of structure. He is spontaneous and unpredictable. Its the perfect counterpoint to Cleary's composure and control.

Souths also have it in Walker and Reynolds.

It gives the better teams more options to hurt you.

 

[Avenger]

most of our complaints are about our attack having little punch .... I don't recall flanagan's sharks ever being a good attacking team - they were all defense and grunt built around hard working forwards - gallen, lewis, etc etc

I don't know if flano is going to change things .... might our edge defense improve? I think we already have done that a bit

I agree, changing assistants might be the way to go - but I won't pretend I know wtf role they play and whether there are any better ones out there that might make a difference

Good point. Flanagan and BA are similar type of coaches. I’d still love to see what Bennett could do with our side. Sadly we won’t.

 

[strider]

Papa only got 35 mins last night compared to Lane 72. Big stuff up that.

Papa had double the amount of work as well

middle vs edge .... entirely expected

i reckon we play papa on an edge we lose a f**kload when rcg and paulo rest (especially with nrown injured) - plus penrith probably contain papa cos they are good defensively

plus lane would then come on in the middle and get arse raped by fans for not being good enough in the middle

 

[King-Gutho94]

Well many said that the Pennys would crash n burn after losing Trent Barrett. He was tbe reason why their shape was so impressive.

Nek minute Pennys are fine and the Dogs are still shit.

Cattle.

Difference is Trent barrett may be great tactically but he is shit man manager.

Look at how he has treated players at Manly and the Dogs. Jackson hastings and kyle Flanagan have been thrown out to pasture.

Plus he is a-grade whinger similar to ricky stuart

Gus is just waiting in the wings to take him out. I reckon ciraldo will be dogs coach in 2023 if they fail to make finals next year

 

[lucablight]

3 of those were against us!

Like the majority of the Penrith team he has been down since origin but there was a reason he was picked!

He's a dynamic runner who has an incredible ability to flick in and out of structure. He is spontaneous and unpredictable. Its the perfect counterpoint to Cleary's composure and control.

Souths also have it in Walker and Reynolds.

It gives the better teams more options to hurt you.

If Luai and Reynolds are X factor players then so is Moses. We all saw that try he scored against the Knights last week.

 

[strider]

3 of those were against us!

Like the majority of the Penrith team he has been down since origin but there was a reason he was picked!

He's a dynamic runner who has an incredible ability to flick in and out of structure. He is spontaneous and unpredictable. Its the perfect counterpoint to Cleary's composure and control.

Souths also have it in Walker and Reynolds.

It gives the better teams more options to hurt you.

yep .... shouldn't moses be our x factor?

 

[King-Gutho94]

Possibly.

Though we were a bees dick away from winning last night. I still think we can improve our week to week consistency and become a better team than we currently are but without an X Factor attacking weapon we are at a significant disadvantage. All the good teams have at least one.

Well if we defend like we did last night all year like Melbourne do we make top 2.

Penrith climb has been helped they have turned their defense to elite they always had attack its the defense that has propelled them from 5th or 6th to top 2

 

[Gary Gutful]

which teams have good leadership atm? .... just the top 4?

if the club told gutho to shut it down then at least he agreed and did it

No. Plenty of the shit clubs have leadership, just not as much ability.

I'd say we are well above average with our ability and slightly above average in leadership.

The club should never had to tell Gutho to shut it down because it should never have happened in the first place. It was an act of pure selfishness and something that no player serious about their club should allow. The fact that he's our captain and it happened a second f**king time makes it even worse in my books.

 

[Gary Gutful]

yep .... shouldn't moses be our x factor?

Then who provides the composure and control? Or are we expecting him to do both?

 

[strider]

No. Plenty of the shit clubs have leadership, just not as much ability.

I'd say we are well above average with our ability and slightly above average in leadership.

The club should never had to tell Gutho to shut it down because it should never have happened in the first place. It was an act of pure selfishness and something that no player serious about their club should allow. The fact that he's our captain and it happened a second f**king time makes it even worse in my books.

yeah i think it sucks and don't like it ... but i think its a sign of the times - contracts and managers are the shit stain on the nrl but its a job these days

but i agree - best it never happens in the first place

 

[IFR33K]

Papa only got 35 mins last night compared to Lane 72. Big stuff up that.

Papa had double the amount of work as well

I didn’t look at the stats but that’s the shit I don’t get. Papa is a proven performer and flogged all year, to be given limited time off the bench

 

[Gary Gutful]

If Luai and Reynolds are X factor players then so is Moses. We all saw that try he scored against the Knights last week.

No. Thats not what I am suggesting.

Allow me to explain using this table:

Team	Controlling Half	Dynamic Ball Running 6
Souths	Reynolds	Walker
Penrith	Cleary	Luai
Parra	Moses	TBA

 

[Bandwagon]

I think we were much closer to being a genuine threat for the premiership than we were last year, for mine that says we have improved.

And yes I readily concede that's subjective.