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Does Brad Arthur deserve the hype?

Chipmunk

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Come on Pou, the squads that we played had 1 origin player (Papali). And a bunch of injuries. And more importantly they were in the bottom 4.

We are generally nothing short of pathetic or at best very ordinary away from Pirtek.

I do not see this changing in 2015.
 
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I think our players have just been out-enthused.
I don't know how much the coaching had to do with it.

We were actually enthusiastic yesterday. It was our tactics that so so wrong. Constantly going from side to side without directly challenging the line up the middle is so predictable. We made canberra's defence seem like a premiership contender. Also in the first half we were so pedestrian with the ball NO offloads, we didn't play footy. We played safety footy hitting it one up all the time. Guess what happened ?? Midway In the second half when we decided to throw the ball around we actually looked like a football team and we killed them! But to little to late.

Again I'll say the players were enthusiastic yesterday but we had the wrong game plan two weeks in a row. Both Canberra and Newcastle were made to look like they were coming first in defence by our lack of adventure with the ball. A few off load here and there and taking on the line up the middle was lacking. You can't just go from side to side with the same set moves all the time. Makes it so easy for the defence to slide and pick us off.

Two games and two wasted opportunities against inferior teams. Yes we were easily out coached! I lay yesterday's defeat with Brad Arthur as the boys were up for the game but our tactics weren't.
 

Avenger

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Brad Arthur is obsessed with completion rates meaning off loads are reduced to a minimum.
 
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Brad Arthur is obsessed with completion rates meaning ofoads are reduced to a minimum.

Hahaha it took you two sentences to some up my 3 paragraphs lol.

Yes that's right. We didn't have that balance in the last two games. Completion rates is all well and good but if you don't use the ball when you've got it then the defence will pick you off like how they did yesterday.

We only started looking good yesterday when the offloads came in the second half. Canberra could not compete we tore them a new one.

I rate BA I think he's a good coach. I was so happy when he was picked as coach. What I liked about him that he is attacking football minded but the last two weeks he's put the blinkers on the team. with one out footy and predictable back line movements we've been thrashed twice by inferior teams.
 

Poupou Escobar

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We didn't score a point in the final fifteen minutes. Did we stop trying to offload or did Canberra's defence switch back on after a brief five minute lull?

Let's not flatter ourselves about why we scored those three tries. We needed at least two more and we couldn't get them in fifteen minutes of play.
 

ParraSteve

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BA is still very much a rookie coach, he along with the players is learning as they go. Sure he was an assistant at manly and the storm but that's totally different from being a head coach for a full year.

I think he's done a fantastic job and glad that i was wrong about him
 

strider

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don't forget he was an assistant to the great SK here at parra too :sarcasm:


he's done well to overcome that setback
 

yy_cheng

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If he is using the Bellamy formula then it will need time.

First is defense, safety first, high completion rates, good kick and chase.
Then when that is at a high level.

We add to it. Inside outside pass, offloads, etc

5 year plan guys.
 

Tony Bongo

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Brad Arthur is obsessed with completion rates meaning off loads are reduced to a minimum.

We didn't have a single player in the top 20 for offloads and actually conceded the most offloads in the NRL. Willie Tonga had 17 from only 16 games, Hayne had 18 and David Gower lead with 20 but was still 10 short of making the top 20. I don't think we kept offloads to a minimum but we were certainly more conservative in that area than most teams.
 

yy_cheng

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Hahaha it took you two sentences to some up my 3 paragraphs lol.

Yes that's right. We didn't have that balance in the last two games. Completion rates is all well and good but if you don't use the ball when you've got it then the defence will pick you off like how they did yesterday.

We only started looking good yesterday when the offloads came in the second half. Canberra could not compete we tore them a new one.

I rate BA I think he's a good coach. I was so happy when he was picked as coach. What I liked about him that he is attacking football minded but the last two weeks he's put the blinkers on the team. with one out footy and predictable back line movements we've been thrashed twice by inferior teams.

The only thing about the side to side was that it was not organized well. There were times where Sandow and Norman didnt know what they were doing and got tackled. The commentator even said we use a number of attacking kickers, Sandow, Noman, Hayne, Morgan. But we only did that because our halves went missing.

We are lost in the opposition 20. Relying on the bomb more than anything else.

The good thing was that we started using the blind side alot more to get out of our territory.

There was still alot of the 3rd person watching in defense instead of forcing the man down to prevent the offload.

As for attack in the opposite 20, we should sweep to 1 side and use our deep backline to sweep back.

However, as I said before, we were just passing it without being organized
 

Chipmunk

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Just curious - what team do you actually follow?

Parra of course. But unlike the Club and a number of other fans I don't accept mediocrity.

I want to see my team perform well enough for it to win competitions and be a consistent Top 4, not be a mid table side
 

Chipmunk

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We didn't have a single player in the top 20 for offloads and actually conceded the most offloads in the NRL. Willie Tonga had 17 from only 16 games, Hayne had 18 and David Gower lead with 20 but was still 10 short of making the top 20. I don't think we kept offloads to a minimum but we were certainly more conservative in that area than most teams.

Offloading against us seemed to be a genuine tactic from opposition teams, particularly in the second half of the season. Teams that hardly ever offloaded throughout the season, became offloading machines against us. It was obviously spotted as a weakness in our game. I think I first noticed it in the first game against the Sharks.
 

Chipmunk

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That's because the best way to combat offloads is through aggression and line speed - something we lack.

Totally agree. Tepai has really led the way though in both aspects in recent weeks. I think I'd consider putting him in the middle next year, just to stiffen up the defence. We need some others to help him though. Peats and Ma'u are up there though.
 

hindmarshisgod

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We didn't score a point in the final fifteen minutes. Did we stop trying to offload or did Canberra's defence switch back on after a brief five minute lull?

Let's not flatter ourselves about why we scored those three tries. We needed at least two more and we couldn't get them in fifteen minutes of play.

What a wanker.

Offloads dont mean we will score every set. We scored 3 tries in 5 mins. Scored none in the remaining fifteen but had the ascendancy and had the raiders scrambling and tiring. Second phase is not just about scoring a try every 5 minutes. It creats doubt in opposition defence and unpredictability. If we done this earlier we win.
 

hindmarshisgod

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Go and get a f**king clue and then come back and tell us your stories.

You need to get clue you stats obsessed fool. Idiots like yourself and our current coach and his mentor kearney, believe its all about stats and percentages, and all that bullshit.

Where has conservative, high percentage footy taken us since it was introduced by the great Kearney back in 2011?

Get over all this science crap and let the guys play some footy
 

Chipmunk

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You need to get clue you stats obsessed fool. Idiots like yourself and our current coach and his mentor kearney, believe its all about stats and percentages, and all that bullshit.

Where has conservative, high percentage footy taken us since it was introduced by the great Kearney back in 2011?

Get over all this science crap and let the guys play some footy

Conservative High Percentage football is a major contributing factor on why the Melbourne Storm has been the best team of the last decade.
 
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