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Double Standards Hasler on Gallop

Apey

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lol PBB, does he still not realise that nobody reads his dribble?
 

Timmah

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7am? I may have missed something... where did it say it was 7am? I thought it was driving home the same night?
 

caspersparks

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manly's coach, players & fans should be tarred and feathered, scum..

while we are at it, me thinks its time for another matai thread
 

CanadianEagle

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Bottom line is that I (and I dare say plenty of other people) are sick to death of Manly fans and now officials bringing up the Stewart saga EVERY time someone does something wrong as if they're all directly comparable. They aren't, Stewart's free, he'll be back on the park in 7 days and 10 hours officially.

What needs to be kept in mind is that there is no standard punishment because each situation is different, needs to be treated differently and managed appropriately.

Stewart's redemption came in September 2010 when he was acquitted - he'll absolutely tear opposition sides apart this year. Do you think he really wants this incident bought up (even by his own coach) every time it happens? I actually feel sorry for Brett with the way Dessie and some of thefans are carrying on.

Well in 7 days and 7 hours Manly fans and officials will feel relieved he's back playing and all this bullsh*t is over, but until then some might feel that justice from the nrl hasn't been fully served and voice their opinion!
 

Timmah

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If people don't feel that justice now, why will it be any different now or 4, 10 or 24 years in the future?

If Dessie comes out with this every time an indiscretion occurs, people will get sick of him/it very quickly.
 

Lambretta

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The issue from my point of view is prior form. Carney has it. To be honest after our 09 launch Watmough deserved to be suspended before Stewart as he has a record of being a dick. Stewart didn't. Do I think Carney deserved a suspension after this last incident? No, but surely you can see how manly fans are a little miffed.

Personally I think the NRL f**ked up royally when the Brett Stewart incident blew up - because they didn't judge the case on it's merits but wet themselves under media scrutiny.

Brett Stewart was suspended for being drunk at a club function. f**k me, if that was a sackable offence at one time all NRL games in the first four rounds would have been between Hazem El Masri and Jason Stevens.

Gallop and the NRL caved to media pressure and as they couldnt sack him for an alleged incident (unproven and frankly completely unbelievable in Bretts case) as there were too many other incidents that had gone unpunished. So they came up with a completely bogus reason and then trumpeted that they were getting tough on alcohol.

As if anyone believed a thing. They were caving to the media and they shouldnt have done. This time the NRL actually got it right.

I really felt sorry for Brett when the NRL did what they did as he of all players didn't deserve that. I understands Des bitterness over that, but in light of that dumb merkin Watmough - maybe Des should take a big dose of shut the f**k up.
 

Garts

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Personally I think the NRL f**ked up royally when the Brett Stewart incident blew up - because they didn't judge the case on it's merits but wet themselves under media scrutiny.

Brett Stewart was suspended for being drunk at a club function. f**k me, if that was a sackable offence at one time all NRL games in the first four rounds would have been between Hazem El Masri and Jason Stevens.

Gallop and the NRL caved to media pressure and as they couldnt sack him for an alleged incident (unproven and frankly completely unbelievable in Bretts case) as there were too many other incidents that had gone unpunished. So they came up with a completely bogus reason and then trumpeted that they were getting tough on alcohol.

As if anyone believed a thing. They were caving to the media and they shouldnt have done. This time the NRL actually got it right.

I really felt sorry for Brett when the NRL did what they did as he of all players didn't deserve that. I understands Des bitterness over that, but in light of that dumb merkin Watmough - maybe Des should take a big dose of shut the f**k up.

Spot on. My point is Des being so close to the Stewart situation he is obviously a little bitter. Many of us cannot fully understand as we were not directly involved. So whilst its easy for all of us to say he should shut up we were not impacted as much by the NRL's decision. And I agree that Des should let sleeping dogs lie. He has had his say now is time to let it go.
 

Eels Dude

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Looking at the bigger picture, imagine the headlines if the Dally M player of the year was suspended for 4 weeks.

Stewart's punishment was a knee jerk reaction, we all know it and in hindsight id say David Gallop knows it too. The fact that the game didn't make the same mistake twice is a good thing.

Try and keep things in perspective you idiots out there.

This. Stewart's punishment was over the top and it was an 'excuse' for him being punished while drunk. At the end of the day he was face of the game for the NRL in 2009 and faced very serious allegations and because Manly refused to do anything about it, Gallop was pretty much forced to step in. Probably overplayed his hand. But if Manly hadn't treated it like a non issue he wouldn't have been suspended at all.

But let's get over it already. You cannot stand down players for getting intoxicated in public otherwise we'd have 20 blokes suspended every week. Manly fans need to stop being so bitter.
 

Talons

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As a lifelong Manly supporter I don't see how getting stuck into Todd Carney is doing the my club any favours, either with other fans or the controlling body itself.
Des may have the right to feel pissed off on behalf of Brett but he should save his words until the defamation case goes to court.

I'm a bit old school and already feel that players are under far to much scrutiny, rugby league is a tribal sport and each supporter often feels that there club has been unfairly treated.
Wanting to tear young blokes lives apart to gain advantage doesn't sit well with me. Of course there are always going to be exceptions but lets try and keep things in perspective.
 
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Spot on. My point is Des being so close to the Stewart situation he is obviously a little bitter. Many of us cannot fully understand as we were not directly involved. So whilst its easy for all of us to say he should shut up we were not impacted as much by the NRL's decision. And I agree that Des should let sleeping dogs lie. He has had his say now is time to let it go.

Des is bitter but also worried, he wouldn't want to come up against Carney in round 2 now would he :roll:
 

seaeagle sam

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As a lifelong Manly supporter I don't see how getting stuck into Todd Carney is doing the my club any favours, either with other fans or the controlling body itself.
Des may have the right to feel pissed off on behalf of Brett but he should save his words until the defamation case goes to court.

I'm a bit old school and already feel that players are under far to much scrutiny, rugby league is a tribal sport and each supporter often feels that there club has been unfairly treated.
Wanting to tear young blokes lives apart to gain advantage doesn't sit well with me. Of course there are always going to be exceptions but lets try and keep things in perspective.

I agree with almost all you said except I don't think many are getting stuck into Carney, people are bitter about the inconsistency of the NRL over the matter. I said in another forum Watmough and Carney should have gotten a couple of weeks just for being stupid arses and I still believe it to be true.

Carney's a fantastic player with a wonderful career ahead of him but he seriously needs a kick in the arse by older players or someone he respects and not a token fine and another spot of alcohol counselling - or it will happen again.
 

skeepe

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7am? I may have missed something... where did it say it was 7am? I thought it was driving home the same night?

:lol:

Might want to actually read something about the incident before commenting further, just to save yourself further embarrassment.
 

adamkungl

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the only player to ever get suspended from the NRL for a driving offence was Jake Friend,...and apparently the NRL are biased towards Easts...f**k off you duds...
 

Scarves

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, everyone's opinion always differs slightly from the next. I'm not about to tell people they should "shut the f%^$ up" like Timmah said. I don't believe that is appropriate especially when one keeps into perspective what this forum is here for.

I think what caused so much consternation is that fans crave consistency. When there isn't consistency or what is perceived as inconsistency, fans and people who are affected by the game blow up. The stakes are infinitely higher when the perceived inconsistency relates to important players.

Personally I thought the Brett Stewart decision by the league was an overtly excessive knee jerk media driven penalty. It wa a penalty for the loudspeakers. This penalty and the ridiculous reasons for it, in any shape or form shouldn't be repeated in the manner which they were. As a Manly supporter I don't want to see the League or David Gallop for that matter repeat the knee jerk mistakes made in the past for the sake of what the rabid media brainwashed public perceive to be consistency.

Suspending Todd Carney for mine would amount to two stupid over reactions. And if you think back to all the rubbish the Bulldogs had to put up with, including Garry Hughes losing his job during the fateful Coffs Harbour sojurn where no criminal charges were laid (despite what anyone privately thinks they know), well we don't need hysterical over reaction such as that any more.

Players should be dealt with fairly. The same fairness which is afforded to all citizens, dole bludgers and tax payers alike. Certain offences are clearer in their cut compared to other allegations but ultimately everyone has their day when the evidence is tested professionally by expensively scholared persons in courts of law, local to the criminal court of appeal.

Brett Stewart's case was tested in the Supreme Court, during which police alleged he wasn't drunk and the ultimate verdict as adjudicated by a 12 person panel of peers was a unanimous "not guilty". In hind sight I have no idea why Stewart was treated so harshly except for the media frenzy of the moment, but those harsh manners of NRL judgement should not roll forward to Todd Carney just because they happened to Brett Stewart. I'm a Manly fan, Brett was dealt with unfairly, Todd shouldn't be belted with the same stick just but the league went over harsh on Brett. The line should be drawn, it's time to afford players due process.

In hindsight, the NRL should be embarrassed by how they over reacted to the Stewart saga, their reaction could indeed have affected the fairness of Stewarts trial. The League dealt with Stewart so publicly, I wouldn't be surprised if Police or the DPP had a private word to the League about the public way he was dealt with. Working in a sector of the Criminal Justice System myself, I've seen first hand how difficult it can be to empanel a jury at the best of times, let alone a matter which is high profile. The League should have instead stood tall and had faith in the criminal justice system all punters of NSW are ultimately judged by. Hopefully this is how the League is rolling now. I'm sure they have learnt from this.

The way the Brett Stewart situation was handled indicated to me that it was possible David Gallop hadn't dealt with Criminal Law all that often during his time with Holman Webb Lawyers.

All I hope for and what we should all hope for, is that for the benefit of the game and all fans of the game the NRL remains consistent in their treatment of future alleged player indiscretions whether they be the champions or the fringe kids, criminal or ethical aberrations, Roosters, Raiders or Sea Eagles. When considering consistency, all players should be treated with the balance the latest Todd Carney incident has been been afforded, despite the obvious pressured media frenzy that is sure to follow. I'm supporting David Gallop here, I always support people and organisations that appear to have learned from their mistakes, and I'm therefore taking the Carney decision as a sign the game has become stronger and is beginning to respect itself.

On Todd Carney personally, I just wish the kid all the very best and I hope he takes his opportunity and talent with both hands and runs hard.

Rugby League is the winner here, go rugby league.
 
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typicalfan

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Wouldn't Hasler complaining of double standards regarding the Carney issue and not the Watmough issue be....double standards?
 

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