Dufty ?

[hazzbeen]

We can all agree or disagree , is he going to make it can he tackle , is he big enough ,is he fast enough , can he compete against the big boys ? All I know we have been screaming for a player that can play on instinct and that is what this kids biggest asset is . Lets just all give him a go to prove himself .

 

[Overseas dragon]

I'm not trying to run down Dufty, I think he is a really exciting player of the future. He had two try assists but one of those he should have scored himself not risked the pass.

Yes we scored 50 but that was hardly Dufty, he was the beneficiary of the way the team played. Give credit where its due, the forwards outplayed Manly, we had an exorbitant amount of ball and Widdop had a great first half. Whose to say that if the team had performed like that with Dugan playing he wouldn't have scored a couple and saved a couple.

One of the areas I am concerned about with Dufty is bringing the ball out from the line. He hardly had to do any in that game and when he had the ball he was passing for Nene to bring it out, one time he did run he nearly got rag dolled. This area of the game is extremely important especially when yardage is hard to come by.

Do I read this right your bagging the kid for a try assist you'd rather he's another mundine hog the ball kind of player.

 

[hermidale1]

He's not SUPERMAN give the kid a break.You better go and watch the game again and tell me which one he could have stopped.He was there for the dummy half try ,Host was the player that got beat.

Actually maybe you should also watch the game again. Paker was too far out at A defender. Yes, Host went the other side, but Paker was not in tight enough and went right.

 

[Carlton]

Do I read this right your bagging the kid for a try assist you'd rather he's another mundine hog the ball kind of player.

No you've read it wrong, I want the player to be able to finish it themselves if that is the safest option, not make a pass that is unnecessary. I wouldn't say I'm bagging him, I would say I'm criticising some of his play and applauding other aspects of it.

The trouble at the moment is that the politically correct approach is to have unreserved praise for him and don't dare express an opinion that there are important parts of his game that need improvement.

 

[Carlton]

[QUOTE="Carlton, post: 12354803, member: 46724
Yes we scored 50 but that was hardly Dufty, he was the beneficiary of the way the team played. .

Again I disagree.

His touches and high involvement in the first 10-15 mins put Manly on notice that we had a genuine speedster with footwork from FB. I'm guessing they were expecting Nighty to start at FB so they didn't expect this. This had 2 effects:

1. Manly had to spread wider to cover him, opening up our middle (unlike previous rounds where our forwards were facing compressed defences). Vaughan, Ah Mau and Sims had a field day punching up the middle like our early rounds.

2. Lafai and Widdop had acres of room unlike previous rounds. This is because the defence had to watch Dufty sweeping from the back and couldn't jam in (when we have Duges or Nighty there).

End of the day, having a FB with those attributes asked questions from the defence we haven't asked in a very long time.

50 points was the result.[/QUOTE]

You read the game one way, I read it differently. The big difference between this game and other recent games was the forwards were running straighter, harder and dominating. This opened it up out wide, I think Dufty played well but was not in position in defence on a number of occasions and his inclusion was not the reason they won.
Did he contribute to a renewed Dragons TEAM? yes he did.
Does he show a heap of promise? yes he does.
Do I think he is the best fullback I have ever seen? At this stage nowhere near it. Will he become the best fullback I have ever seen? Possibly if he can make the improvements needed.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

No you've read it wrong, I want the player to be able to finish it themselves if that is the safest option, not make a pass that is unnecessary. I wouldn't say I'm bagging him, I would say I'm criticising some of his play and applauding other aspects of it.

The trouble at the moment is that the politically correct approach is to have unreserved praise for him and don't dare express an opinion that there are important parts of his game that need improvement.

Whether he should have passed or gone himself is a little subjective.
The pleasing thing for me was that he put the team first and was totally unselfish.
Apart from his performance, I just loved his exuberance and sheer joy after the game.
That youthful energy and enthusiasm just lifts the whole team.
He is also a Saints club man through and through and re-kindling that club spirit will go a long way towards winning us another premiership.

 

[Frank Facer]

Do I read this right your bagging the kid for a try assist you'd rather he's another mundine hog the ball kind of player.

Mundine actually had a bet with Blacklock, over who would score the most tries in a season. The way I saw it was that it is a wingers job to score tries and the 5/8's role is more to set tries up. Another example of Mundine being a selfish player and not a team player.

 

[getsmarty]

Off the Record: Episode 2 - Matt Dufty
Tue 25th July, 06:00PM
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1702 - Hosts Shaun Timmins and Jack Brady are joined by Dragons fullback Matt Dufty following his incredible NRL debut against the Manly Sea Eagles over the weekend.


http://www.dragons.com.au/news/2017/07/25/off_the_record_episo.html

 

[giboz71]

You read the game one way, I read it differently. The big difference between this game and other recent games was the forwards were running straighter, harder and dominating. This opened it up out wide, I think Dufty played well but was not in position in defence on a number of occasions and his inclusion was not the reason they won.
Did he contribute to a renewed Dragons TEAM? yes he did.
Does he show a heap of promise? yes he does.
Do I think he is the best fullback I have ever seen? At this stage nowhere near it. Will he become the best fullback I have ever seen? Possibly if he can make the improvements needed.

Chicken or the egg right?

Whether Dufty opened it up for our forwards or the other way around is moot. Point is, you need both to be successful. No point having a great forward pack if you have no speed in the backs to take advantage.

As I keep saying, we scored 50 for the first time in 10 years. We'd been struggling to get any more than 2 tries in recent weeks. The only conceivable difference in the Manly game was that we finally had an attacking threat from FB, something opposition defences haven't seen since Darbs played for us.

 

[The Damo]

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Chicken or the egg right?

Whether Dufty opened it up for our forwards or the other way around is moot. Point is, you need both to be successful. No point having a great forward pack if you have no speed in the backs to take advantage.

As I keep saying, we scored 50 for the first time in 10 years. We'd been struggling to get any more than 2 tries in recent weeks. The only conceivable difference in the Manly game was that we finally had an attacking threat from FB, something opposition defences haven't seen since Darbs played for us.

you could see it when Dufty swept round the back, especially on the right. Other games when Dugan was the player defences would stay tight, confident he'd get the ball and try to run it. With Dufty's speed they had to wait and see what he'd do, and they had to stay on the other players in cas he passed.

 

[giboz71]

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you could see it when Dufty swept round the back, especially on the right. Other games when Dugan was the player defences would stay tight, confident he'd get the ball and try to run it. With Dufty's speed they had to wait and see what he'd do, and they had to stay on the other players in cas he passed.

Alleluia! So glad someone else gets it!

Was so obvious the defence was spread wider throughout the game. In recent weeks, we have faced compressed defences as no one in our side has the speed to make defences spread.

Someone like Dufty changes this.

 

[Belta]

Attack over Defence. There has been many discussions on the forum about our lack of speed, and much of the talk related to the scoring feats, mostly of Dufty but also Field, as shown in the sevens. Many Forum members including myself have been at a loss to understand why the coach was 'holding off' in selecting either or both of these guys especially when Dugan was out instead choosing safer 'D' based options.

Now after a run of losses we finally see a change of direction, an injection of inexperience (very 'unMary' like) a debutant with speed, elusiveness, vision a genuine attacking threat. This is the style of football I like (and yes I was a Quinlan advocate). Dufty won't deliver the defence and strong carries that Dugan will but he will create more in attack and hopefully Dufty continues to strengthen our attack and the Dragons continue to encourage a more exciting brand of football...

 

[ALSGI]

Dufty's try - when he beat Tommy Turbo for pace and strength, or determination really..... is there another player in the team that could have created or executed that play? Not a hope.
Xfactor.
The main defensive observations were he's obviously under (good) instructions to let others take the hit ups and kick returns and we need Nene and Nighty to get back quicker for this. Then follow up with a dart from dummy half after they're tackled ? Exciting stuff.

 

[Drag Queen]

Dufty played great in that game but I think there needs to be some reality attached to it. Manly did not have much of the ball for most of the game which meant he was not tested in defence nor bringing the ball out from the line under pressure.

I thought he looked good in attack but was concerned he wasn't in position in defence on a number of occasions and Manly scored tries that I think would have been stopped with Dugan there. Its great to have attack but it can't be at the expense of defence, you need to be good at both.

I also don't care what Slater or anyone else was like when they were younger, Dufty is his own person and there are aspects of his play that still need work. The best place for this isn't first grade, it's reserves with some cameos in firsts just like this game.

I think he has a lot of potential, give him the space to develop it and don't place undue expectations on him at this stage.

I totally agree with everything you say, but was shut down for being negative (nothing new there). Positonally he wasn't where he needed to be as FB a lot of the time. I felt Nighty was playing two roles in that game. However I still think he needs a few more games in FG. His support play was good but his defence wasn't there. I watched him getting ragdolled. Other coaches who watch this game will soon have a plan to shut him down. The thing is that he wants to be there, and the other problem is the Cutters are not in contention this year. Re evaluate after the Knights game?

 

[Drag Queen]

He's not SUPERMAN give the kid a break.You better go and watch the game again and tell me which one he could have stopped.He was there for the dummy half try ,Host was the player that got beat.

He wasn't in position for most of the game. Sincerely Miss Negativity. Maybe you should watch the game again. 3-4 tries in from Manly in 14 minutes. I will commend him on his support play though, so there's a positive for you,

 

[saintm]

I totally agree with everything you say, but was shut down for being negative (nothing new there). Positonally he wasn't where he needed to be as FB a lot of the time. I felt Nighty was playing two roles in that game. However I still think he needs a few more games in FG. His support play was good but his defence wasn't there. I watched him getting ragdolled. Other coaches who watch this game will soon have a plan to shut him down. The thing is that he wants to be there, and the other problem is the Cutters are not in contention this year. Re evaluate after the Knights game?

I agree that there are parts of his game that need improvement. I just don't like negative comments about any players attitude if you personally don't know them. You also bagged Luciano and called him a lazy fat bastard... I don't think its needed. These boys are busting a gut to get to first grade and should be congratulated for achieving their goal after years and years of hard work and training.
P.S. I don't think you can call him lazy training 5 days a week ... your a lounge chair critic what's your credentials?

 

[saintm]

He wasn't in position for most of the game. Sincerely Miss Negativity. Maybe you should watch the game again. 3-4 tries in from Manly in 14 minutes. I will commend him on his support play though, so there's a positive for you,

Drag Queen if you analysed every single player on that field you could come up with areas they could work on. I just think you are really focusing on bringing him down...it really is personal and I starting to wonder if you actually know him and have a grudge? do you?

 

[denis preston]

Drag Queen if you analysed every single player on that field you could come up with areas they could work on. I just think you are really focusing on bringing him down...it really is personal and I starting to wonder if you actually know him and have a grudge? do you?

Like Possum & Basil !!

 

[Overseas dragon]

Drags already owned up to not liking dufty in another thread so his comments need to be taken as such

 

[Drag Queen]

I agree that there are parts of his game that need improvement. I just don't like negative comments about any players attitude if you personally don't know them. You also bagged Luciano and called him a lazy fat bastard... I don't think its needed. These boys are busting a gut to get to first grade and should be congratulated for achieving their goal after years and years of hard work and training.
P.S. I don't think you can call him lazy training 5 days a week ... your a lounge chair critic what's your credentials?

Luciano is a fat lazy bastard. Lots of potential but isn't showing up. He's playing with the same coach as in NYC. If you don't see alarm bells that's fine. He should take a leaf out of his brother's book. Nothing is handed on a silver platter, He needs a kick up the arse because he could get there. I'm just not seeing any fight in him whatsoever. I believe you called me a dickhead in a previous post. What are your credentials? Curious..