Early tip: Sandow won't see out his contract

[Someone]

Joey Johns... still thinks the game is played like it was 10 years ago.

Sandow was picked at halfback by Jason Taylor - a bloke who himself was a noted organiser. Taylor was well aware that the game doesn't need organisers the way it used to.

Seems Joey is stuck in a drug-induced haze where it's 2001 and he's still the king of rugby league.

there is no bridge you wouldn't burn to try and 'prove' your point.

:lol:

 

[Avenger]

It's funny how according to Pou, Taylor was a noted organiser, yet last week that attribute could not be assessed.

 

[Twizzle]

if the game doesn't need organisers, how come Alfie still spends 60 mins a week on the pitch under the guise of head trainer

 

[Chipmunk]

I'd say the Titans have the best current young halves, Kelly isn't an organiser either.

Yes, but perhaps Seizer and Srama are the organisers of the group. The organiser doesnt have to be a 7, but if you dont have one person calling the plays you just have 13 players running around looking clueless.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Of course he is. And that's why the brightest young halves pairing in the comp, Cherry-Evans and Foran, are doing so poorly under his tutelage.

Didn't they win a premiership before he started helping them out?

And they haven't won since. They've gone backwards since he joined the club.

Should have signed Jason Taylor.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What a ridiculous argument. Johns is still actively coaching halves in the NRL. Clutching at straws to the extremes

Is he coaching kicking or organising?

 

[Someone]

Didn't they win a premiership before he started helping them out?

And they haven't won since. They've gone backwards since he joined the club.

Should have signed Jason Taylor.

http://www.codegenius.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/super-genius.JPG

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's funny how according to Pou, Taylor was a noted organiser, yet last week that attribute could not be assessed.

That's why I said 'noted' organiser. Coaches (i.e. the people who can assess that trait) used to talk about his great organisational ability, and we know he played at a time when it was important.

That's why someone as slow and weak as Taylor was able to play almost 300 games in first grade.

You notice there's no players like him any more? With structured gameplans and well drilled defences the ability to organise is a redundant trait. The game has always been simple, but it has gotten even simpler.

Now it's just roll forward until the defence is on the back foot and then spread it to whichever side has the numbers.

 

[EelsFan05]

Didn't they win a premiership before he started helping them out?

And they haven't won since. They've gone backwards since he joined the club.

Should have signed Jason Taylor.

4th on th ladder is such an under achievement.

So its all about winning now is it? I'm sure its was you who said the other day that a team can't be measured on wins and losses. "You can't have it both ways" Pou.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

if the game doesn't need organisers, how come Alfie still spends 60 mins a week on the pitch under the guise of head trainer

So Prince and Wallace have both played Origin. If organising needs to be done why is Alfie doing it?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes, but perhaps Seizer and Srama are the organisers of the group. The organiser doesnt have to be a 7, but if you dont have one person calling the plays you just have 13 players running around looking clueless.

So assuming you do need an organiser, you reckon it doesn't have to be the 7?

Therefore Sandow's only problem is his defence.

 

[EelsFan05]

Is he coaching kicking or organising?

Since you're the only bloke can analyse things on the field, that mere mortals can't observe, why don't you just tell us.

 

[Someone]

That's why I said 'noted' organiser. Coaches (i.e. the people who can assess that trait) used to talk about his great organisational ability, and we know he played at a time when it was important.

That's why someone as slow and weak as Taylor was able to play almost 300 games in first grade.

You notice there's no players like him any more? With structured gameplans and well drilled defences the ability to organise is a redundant trait. The game has always been simple, but it has gotten even simpler.

Now it's just roll forward until the defence is on the back foot and then spread it to whichever side has the numbers.

like Jeff Robson, Peter Wallace...

 

[EelsFan05]

So assuming you do need an organiser, you reckon it doesn't have to be the 7?

Therefore Sandow's only problem is his defence.

Yes it is everyone else's fault bar Sandows. As long as everyone is doing everything to cover up for his deficiencies then he should be a fine player.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

4th on th ladder is such an under achievement.

So its all about winning now is it? I'm sure its was you who said the other day that a team can't be measured on wins and losses. "You can't have it both ways" Pou.

If I said that I'm sure you can quote me.

A team can only be measured on wins and losses (which is why Minor Premierships are a better gauge of a team than Premierships; something about a larger sample of games). If I said anything different then quote it or STFU.

Poor attempt, smarty pants. I give you a 4 out of 10.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

like Jeff Robson, Peter Wallace...

They're organisers are they? How can you tell?

 

[Chipmunk]

That's why I said 'noted' organiser. Coaches (i.e. the people who can assess that trait) used to talk about his great organisational ability, and we know he played at a time when it was important.

That's why someone as slow and weak as Taylor was able to play almost 300 games in first grade.

You notice there's no players like him any more? With structured gameplans and well drilled defences the ability to organise is a redundant trait. The game has always been simple, but it has gotten even simpler.

Now it's just roll forward until the defence is on the back foot and then spread it to whichever side has the numbers.

Someone has to call/decide which side has the numbers, unless you have 13 mindreaders on the field. This player, or multiple players are still the organiser.

The player you describe as Taylor could also be seen in players like as a Trent Hodkinson, Luke Walsh, Jeff Robson, even to a certain extent Mitchell Pearce and Cooper Cronk. Funny that they are all half-backs in top 8 teams and up until last week we have had a rodeo clown running the show and are stone motherless F%^&ing last.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Yes it is everyone else's fault bar Sandows. As long as everyone is doing everything to cover up for his deficiencies then he should be a fine player.

You don't think he adds anything? He has among the best kicking and running games in the NRL.

Hence why he played 100 first grade games before the age of 24.

 

[Chipmunk]

So assuming you do need an organiser, you reckon it doesn't have to be the 7?

Therefore Sandow's only problem is his defence.

I dont believe it has to be the 7, but that is the traditional organising role. I can be 6, it can be the 9, Penrith actually still use Kingston as an organising player when Segeyaro comes into the game. He seems to play as a 13 then.

 

[Someone]

They're organisers are they? How can you tell?

Because Jeff Robson isnt partnering Carney to stand around and not direct troops around. That is why players with little flair are playing so much first grade pou, they dont have the natural talent so much as they have the brains and composure.

It isnt rocket science. You need atleast one, in most cases both halves to direct and organize other players on the field. Without that leadership on the field, you get a disaster. That is what makes them playmakers and not just ball runners.

It is much harder however to tell if they are poor organizers or not, as compared to whether they are or not. maybe that should be your line of attack, unless you have already tried and butchered that avenue?