Edwards or DWZ for fullback next year

[franklin2323]

In 2018 he was comming back from an ACL. I noticed before he broke his arm he was beginning to get better meterage.

I'm a huge fan of his work.

I am too but the backline needs a boost and he seems the most likely

 

[franklin2323]

Edwards was even further away from that then Dallin was in 2018. Form changes from season to season and like it or not recent form is more relevant then a previous seasons form. 2018 form > 2017 form.

You keep moving the goalposts to insist Edwards is better in every single area when that's not true.

In 2018 Dallin was better in several areas at fullback. It's a fact you're refusing to accept by trying to decrease Dallins stats by including games on the wing or increase Edwards stats by including the previous season.

But neither Edwards 2017 season nor Dallins games on the wing change the fact that Dallin was better in several areas at fullback then Edwards was in 2018.

I like Dylan Edwards. But Dallin is better in some areas. That's a fact.

I haven't shifted. I have said over the last 2 years Edwards has averaged more metres a game. More tackle busts. More linebreaks. More try assists. More linebreak assists.

I can't find other stats hence why I asked what is Dallin better in.

Over the past 2 years Dallin played 44 games. Edwards 24 so of course Dallin has better totals but when you do a per game comparison there is no reason to move Edwards

 

[Luke Bowden]

It’s simple.

We can all agree that DWZ is a far superior Winger? Yes?

Is he a better fullback? Some say yes, some say no. It’s a pretty close call. I think Edwards is better, but there’s not much in it.

So that being the case, why on Earth would you not put DWZ, one of our two best wingers on the Wing and put Edwards at FB?

I just don’t get the logic behind wanting to move Dallin? Wing is an important position these days, don’t under value our wingers.

 

[mxlegend99]

I haven't shifted. I have said over the last 2 years Edwards has averaged more metres a game. More tackle busts. More linebreaks. More try assists. More linebreak assists.

I can't find other stats hence why I asked what is Dallin better in.

Over the past 2 years Dallin played 44 games. Edwards 24 so of course Dallin has better totals but when you do a per game comparison there is no reason to move Edwards

You're including stats from a season where DWZ never played fullback. How the f**k are his games on the wing over a year ago remotely relevant to his form at fullback in 2018? They arent. At all.

Likewise Edwards dropped off considerably from 2017 to 2018. In 2018 (ie. The present) Dallin was better in many of those areas. Not only on totals but averages.

That's a fact. Dallin averaged more kick return metres, all run metres and the same amount of try assists as Edwards at fullback in 2018. Yes Edwards had a better 2017 season. But this season Dallin was the better fullback.

For all we know Edwards could sloely decline after a great rookie season as many players before him have done. 2018 is more relevant to form then 2017. And games at fullback are more relevant to form at fullback then games on the wing.

Would you use all of Peacheys games played to rate him on form at fullback? For both 2017 and 2018? Or would you use the games where he played fullback? I find it hard to believe you would average out all his games rather then focus on the relevant ones.

 

[mxlegend99]

We also have no way of knowing what sort of form Edwards will return in. Fortunately a shoulder injury should be less likely to hurt his form at fullback. But it could very well change in intensity he plays at. His confidence in big collisions etc. like RCG and his jaw injury.

Dallin was fantastic in finals footy at fullback. Was fantastic at international level at fullback while Edwards hasnt played a game in 6 months.

Edwards could hit the ground running or take a few weeks or months to get back to his best if ever. Why not ease him back into first grade via the wing when his replacement has been in better form then he was before injury?

Dallin is a good winger. But he's a better fullback. What has he done to deserve to lose the spot? Everyone thinks Edwards is entitled to it simply because he had it before injury. I think we can work around both players getting time at fullback. Makes no sense to shift Dallin to the wing and leabing him there knowing youre only getting about 70% of his potential. We know he's better at kick returns then Edwards. We know Edwards is better in other areas. The logical thing to do is try and get the best out of both players. As Roosters did with Mini and RTS.

 

[Luke Bowden]

We also have no way of knowing what sort of form Edwards will return in. Fortunately a shoulder injury should be less likely to hurt his form at fullback. But it could very well change in intensity he plays at. His confidence in big collisions etc. like RCG and his jaw injury.

Dallin was fantastic in finals footy at fullback. Was fantastic at international level at fullback while Edwards hasnt played a game in 6 months.

Edwards could hit the ground running or take a few weeks or months to get back to his best if ever. Why not ease him back into first grade via the wing when his replacement has been in better form then he was before injury?

Dallin is a good winger. But he's a better fullback. What has he done to deserve to lose the spot? Everyone thinks Edwards is entitled to it simply because he had it before injury. I think we can work around both players getting time at fullback. Makes no sense to shift Dallin to the wing and leabing him there knowing youre only getting about 70% of his potential. We know he's better at kick returns then Edwards. We know Edwards is better in other areas. The logical thing to do is try and get the best out of both players. As Roosters did with Mini and RTS.

Edwards was in full contact by the time the Semis rolled around. He was cleared to play if we beat the Sharks.

I’m sure he’ll be fine, mentally he is very good at over coming injuries, that’s why he’s always ahead of his recovery programs.

I’d bet he’ll hit the Trial games with a head of steam!

 

[OldPanther]

I do want Edwards at fullback but it's not the kind of thing I think the alternative would be a bad option.

 

[franklin2323]

You're including stats from a season where DWZ never played fullback. How the f**k are his games on the wing over a year ago remotely relevant to his form at fullback in 2018? They arent. At all.

Likewise Edwards dropped off considerably from 2017 to 2018. In 2018 (ie. The present) Dallin was better in many of those areas. Not only on totals but averages.

That's a fact. Dallin averaged more kick return metres, all run metres and the same amount of try assists as Edwards at fullback in 2018. Yes Edwards had a better 2017 season. But this season Dallin was the better fullback.

For all we know Edwards could sloely decline after a great rookie season as many players before him have done. 2018 is more relevant to form then 2017. And games at fullback are more relevant to form at fullback then games on the wing.

Would you use all of Peacheys games played to rate him on form at fullback? For both 2017 and 2018? Or would you use the games where he played fullback? I find it hard to believe you would average out all his games rather then focus on the relevant ones.

So you take Dallin's 2017 stats out. You still have to count Edwards the 181m gained per game etc added. Still puts him in front in those same categories.

From day 1 pre season Edwards will be 100% fit. So should use that time and get some plays sorted.

 

[franklin2323]

I do want Edwards at fullback but it's not the kind of thing I think the alternative would be a bad option.

Depends what we do with the winger of course

 

[TheFrog]

I just don’t get the logic behind wanting to move Dallin? Wing is an important position these days, don’t under value our wingers.

Fullbacks get paid more.

 

[OldPanther]

Depends what we do with the winger of course

True. I guess Edwards would go there.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Absolutely no chance Cleary will have Edwards on the right wing instead of Dallin. Ivan loves a good left to right play with Whare setting up an acrobatic winger.

When Ivan is confirmed as our 2019 coach you'd be insane to not put every cent you have on Dallin being next year's top try scorer.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Fullbacks get paid more.

So? We aren’t negotiating a contract and desiding which one to pick.

1.Edwards
2.DWZ
5.Mansour

Is our strongest back 3. Why would mess with that.

 

[Westernised Panther]

I just don’t get the logic behind wanting to move Dallin? Wing is an important position these days, don’t under value our wingers.

Case in point......Josh Mansour!

How often has it been brought up in these threads that Mansour, in many of our games, has had to carry the forward pack?

We're in a good position knowing that we have two players capable of playing either position comfortably and effectively.

 

[OldPanther]

Absolutely no chance Cleary will have Edwards on the right wing instead of Dallin. Ivan loves a good left to right play with Whare setting up an acrobatic winger.

When Ivan is confirmed as our 2019 coach you'd be insane to not put every cent you have on Dallin being next year's top try scorer.

Good point. The Tigers seemed to play to their second row and wing a fair bit. Alternating for variety. Ours are better players though and would make it work well.

 

[mxlegend99]

Dallin has proven himself as an international fullback against Australia. Along with handling the pressure of captaining his country.

Clubs will be chasing him to play fullback for them and his current contract won't stop them. Its hard to see him staying here when other teams will throw bigger money and tge fullback role at him. Gus would happily release him for that opportunity aswell.

If DWZ is a winger only in 2019 I wouldnt be at all surprised if it was his last year. He is better then just being a winger.

 

[OldPanther]

Dallin has proven himself as an international fullback against Australia. Along with handling the pressure of captaining his country.

Clubs will be chasing him to play fullback for them and his current contract won't stop them. Its hard to see him staying here when other teams will throw bigger money and tge fullback role at him. Gus would happily release him for that opportunity aswell.

If DWZ is a winger only in 2019 I wouldnt be at all surprised if it was his last year. He is better then just being a winger.

This sounds unfortunately plausible.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

This sounds unfortunately plausible.

Sadly I think that's probably true. The only thing that might keep him at the riff is his love for a brother whom he is re-united with, and playing with his mates.

 

[mxlegend99]

This sounds unfortunately plausible.

It could come from nowhere like the CHN release did.

I think working both DWZ and Edwards into sharing the role would keep him happy. Let him defend at fullback for long range kick returns. Have him on the wing defensively inside or 20m zone.

You want DWZ either doing the kick return if long range or taking the second or third carry if on our line.

Roosters won a premiership sharing the role. We can surely have a few 'if this, DWZ is at fullback', if that, Edwards is kind of deals. Along with set plays that use strengths of both.

I havent picked a fullback in the poll as I believe both are too good to be left on the wing and that we can get the best of both worlds if we try.

Numbers on back dont mean a player needs to stay in a set position for 80 minutes. I want both at fullback. And i think DWZ has earned a payrise to earn more thrn what Gus thinks a winger is worth. I think he would be easy to keep happy. He's not a greedy kid.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

It could come from nowhere like the CHN release did.

I think working both DWZ and Edwards into sharing the role would keep him happy. Let him defend at fullback for long range kick returns. Have him on the wing defensively inside or 20m zone.

You want DWZ either doing the kick return if long range or taking the second or third carry if on our line.

Roosters won a premiership sharing the role. We can surely have a few 'if this, DWZ is at fullback', if that, Edwards is kind of deals. Along with set plays that use strengths of both.

I havent picked a fullback in the poll as I believe both are too good to be left on the wing and that we can get the best of both worlds if we try.

Numbers on back dont mean a player needs to stay in a set position for 80 minutes. I want both at fullback. And i think DWZ has earned a payrise to earn more thrn what Gus thinks a winger is worth. I think he would be easy to keep happy. He's not a greedy kid.

That's one thing that Gus is good at: Paying players market rate. Hence the reason Peach was let go early.