Eels in the media

[Noise]

I’d have Tom Alphabet in a prefect world, but would not want to lose two $300k players. Id rather have a balanced squad. Otherwise you end up with a Dessie squad with zero depth.

Des with 2 premierships and 5 GF appearances in the last 13 years? I’m pretty sure he knows what it takes to win comps.
I’m happy with Guth at fullback but depth doesn’t win you premierships. Having a top heavy 17 with minimal injuries wins you comps.

 

[Bandwagon]

I’d have Tom Alphabet in a prefect world, but would not want to lose two $300k players. Id rather have a balanced squad. Otherwise you end up with a Dessie squad with zero depth.

If we signed Turbo, It'd nearly have to be Gutho + some other merkin ( or probably two ) on 300K odd that we could replace with a minimum wage nuffie/s.

 

[84 Baby]

He should stay at fullback even though I have said previously that he would be better for us in the centres. It's all about the team and being able to exploit our strengths yet cover our weaknesses, as a team. If we can't do that as well as grind out a game (especially away) when it gets tough then we'll get more of the same come 2020+.

I really don’t get the Gutho to centre call. He has none of the skills that’d make him anything more than at best a fill in centre. He could be the 17th best fullback in comp, he’d still be a better fullback than centre. If people want to complain about him not being good enough/overpaid I’d have less issue, but claiming playing him at centre would exploit our strengths (that strength being buying a better fullback) and covering our weaknesses (despite Wanga & a 100yo Menko being better centres) is insane to me

 

[strider]

I reckon he would go just fine as a centre ... I just dont see a cost effective better fullback alternative

I think he is a very good fullback

 

[lingard]

I guess I’ll be the bigger man then and give you your time in the sun

Hmm. Don't need time in the sun. I take Vitamin D supplements.

 

[lingard]

The other way of looking at the amount of touches he gets is that he has the highest involvement rate of those mentioned. If that leads to the highest of any positive stat, LB,s LBA's TA's, then I dare say that's a net positive.

I'd also add on the average meters run front that Gutho suffers there on lack of kick return meters, now it might be that he's just poor at returning kicks, or it might be that we have other guys who are much better at it. Or it also might be that he very very rarely drops the ball and merkins would rather kick to the likes of Fergo or Sivo

Run meters minus KR meters

Turbo 177.5 - 45 = 132.5
Tedesco 205 - 65.5 = 139.5
RTS 206.2 - 65.5 = 152.1
Ponga 127.9 - 39.4 = Pretty shit acttually

Gutho 161.5 - 40.3 = 121.2

So not all that far off Turbo and teddy.

Geez. I hope you're not saying that stats are fairly meaningless!

 

[lingard]

We sign someone like Teddy we could lose someone like Will Smith, don’t these merkins understand squad balance FFS!!!!

And depth, FFS.

 

[hineyrulz]

Des with 2 premierships and 5 GF appearances in the last 13 years? I’m pretty sure he knows what it takes to win comps.
I’m happy with Guth at fullback but depth doesn’t win you premierships. Having a top heavy 17 with minimal injuries wins you comps.

Melbourne were pretty much the same, lucky there superstars didn’t get injured much.

 

[Noise]

Melbourne were pretty much the same, lucky there superstars didn’t get injured much.

Roosters also.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Geez. I hope you're not saying that stats are fairly meaningless!

They're not meaningless. The best players have the best stats.

 

[Bandwagon]

Geez. I hope you're not saying that stats are fairly meaningless!

Nah I'm saying that any stat in isolation doesn't give tell you anything beyond the very narrow definition of the stat it's self. When you start grouping stats you start getting a fuller picture, and you can read more into what else they are saying.

 

[lingard]

They're not meaningless. The best players have the best stats.

If we already know they're the best players, why do we need stats?

 

[Bazal]

I mean, Gutho is elite as a ball-playing fullback. Slightly deficient in other areas and thus not quite elite overall, but it's utterly laughable to suggest moving him to a position where he would be less effective just because he doesn't run a 10 second hundred LMAO.

In fact, 100% honestly? For our squad and for the difference in money, I'd have him over Tommy Turbo.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If we already know they're the best players, why do we need stats?

So we can compare all the other players to them.

And then dopes can say things like "You're comparing Gutherson to Tedesco?!? You're off your f**ken head!"

 

[lingard]

Nah I'm saying that any stat in isolation doesn't give tell you anything beyond the very narrow definition of the stat it's self. When you start grouping stats you start getting a fuller picture, and you can read more into what else they are saying.

Fair enough.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I mean, Gutho is elite as a ball-playing fullback. Slightly deficient in other areas and thus not quite elite overall, but it's utterly laughable to suggest moving him to a position where he would be less effective just because he doesn't run a 10 second hundred LMAO.

In fact, 100% honestly? For our squad and for the difference in money, I'd have him over Tommy Turbo.

Gutherson has played three extra games than Tom Trbojevic and has a better win rate. He's also won a finals match, which Trbojevic is yet to do.

Manly have some huge contracts in their roster, meaning the worst player in their top 17 has generally been worse than ours. That's why we win more games than them.

 

[lingard]

So we can compare all the other players to them.

And then dopes can say things like "You're comparing Gutherson to Tedesco?!? You're off your f**ken head!"

Hmm. But we don't have stats for inspiration or leadership, or agility, or timing, or anticipation, or common sense, or football 'smarts', or strength, or courage, or overall fitting in with a team dynamic, or ………
so it makes things a bit hard, doesn't it?

 

[lingard]

Gutherson has played three extra games than Tom Trbojevic and has a better win rate. He's also won a finals match, which Trbojevic is yet to do.
.

Gutherson didn't win that finals match by himself. And Trbojevic has played in a winning origin series. So those stats or facts are pretty meaningless.

 

[84 Baby]

Hmm. But we don't have stats for inspiration or leadership, or agility, or timing, or anticipation, or common sense, or football 'smarts', or strength, or courage, or overall fitting in with a team dynamic, or ………
so it makes things a bit hard, doesn't it?

So all stats are meaningless then?
And there is a general stat for all those things. It’s called wins

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Hmm. But we don't have stats for inspiration or leadership, or agility, or timing, or anticipation, or common sense, or football 'smarts', or strength, or courage, or overall fitting in with a team dynamic, or ………
so it makes things a bit hard, doesn't it?

Players are ultimately what they do. If they're doing something that isn't reflected on the field (even if it's just wins vs losses) then is what they're doing even relevant?