Eels in the media

[Poupou Escobar]

Comparing Martina to Bea is absolutely laughable.

So you agree finals-record-against-better-opponents is a stupid metric?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Bellamy coached teams have only ever managed to beat a team above them on the ladder once in finals since 2014. Three losses in that same period.

Before some deadshit chimes in, I have just provided data. The data shouldn’t be used to compare Bellamy and BA. Clearly Bellamy is a better coach.

What it could suggest though is that it isn’t easy to beat teams above you in the finals. The fact that the best in the game hasn’t done it often speaks volumes.

Ultimately BA needs to get us to finish higher on the ladder if we want to be a threat. Teams that finish 4th or 5th do so for a reason and expecting them to win premierships is a fool’s paradise. Sure it happens, but not often.

 

[hineyrulz]

So you agree finals-record-against-better-opponents is a stupid metric?

No, one is an all time great coach and one is a bum who can’t even make it past week 2. Even mentioning Bea in the same sentence is laughable.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What metric do you use to judge someone’s coaching ability?

Career win rate goes close but really how can you compare them? If you compare Stuart and Kearney's record at the same club (Parramatta) it looks like Kearney is better. If you compare Stuart and Flanagan (Sharks) it looks like Flanagan is better. But even those comparisons are flawed because they coached there at different times.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Madge is a one trick pony and the real stars of the 2014 premiership winning team were Rusty's star power recruitment influence and the managing team he put in place.

Exactly my point. All the top clubs have some recruitment and retention advantage, which is usually related in some way to geography.

 

[Incorrect]

I don't think any coach will make us any better than we are now. TPAs or career/investment opportunities are the only thing that will improve our on field competitiveness. But if we stay as strong as we are now we will eventually win a premiership. The problem is we've never been able to consistently open premiership windows without a decade of shit in between. I'm keen to see how quickly we get back after this one closes, and I don't expect Arthur's to be retained for the rebuild. But I also don't think we'll be any better or worse off if he does stick around. Maguire or Cleary, even Griffin will do as good a job. They're all capable of winning a premiership.

I disagree on the idea that no other coach could/would make the current team better. And it might not be BA's fault alone, he has attack and defence assistant's after all as we know.

Hypothetically, if you put Bellamy or Robinson in charge of the Eels roster for 3 years from season 2020 to the end of 2022 (and taking in to account a few personnel changes across that period which we've had), I feel certain we'd have made it to a prelim at the very least....

All hypothetical of course and we'll never know...

 

[Poupou Escobar]

No, one is an all time great coach and one is a bum who can’t even make it past week 2. Even mentioning Bea in the same sentence is laughable.

Well you've just done it.

 

[hineyrulz]

Well you've just done it.

 

[lucablight]

Bellamy coached teams have only ever managed to beat a team above them on the ladder once in finals since 2014. Three losses in that same period.

Before some deadshit chimes in, I have just provided data. The data shouldn’t be used to compare Bellamy and BA. Clearly Bellamy is a better coach.

What it could suggest though is that it isn’t easy to beat teams above you in the finals. The fact that the best in the game hasn’t done it often speaks volumes.

Ultimately BA needs to get us to finish higher on the ladder if we want to be a threat. Teams that finish 4th or 5th do so for a reason and expecting them to win premierships is a fool’s paradise. Sure it happens, but not often.

We should have finished above the roosters last season. Arguably Manly as well.

 

[Incorrect]

So you agree finals-record-against-better-opponents is a stupid metric?

We need to be the club with the "better" coach in that metric....

We can't keep having stats excusing repeated failures where the coach and board say, "well your honour, we did great to get where we went, but eventually we were always going to have play someone better so where finished was more or less expected"....

The 2005 Tigers should have f**ked off after week 1 in that scenario....

 

[hineyrulz]

We should have finished above the roosters last season. Arguably Manly as well.

Easily, especially with the start we had. 9 from 10.

 

[lucablight]

We need to be the club with the "better" coach in that metric....

We can't keep having stats excusing repeated failures where the coach and board say, "well your honour, we did great to get where we went, but eventually we were always going to have play someone better so where finished was more or less expected"....

The 2005 Tigers should have f**ked off after week 1 in that scenario....

Upsets happen in finals all the time.

 

[Incorrect]

Upsets happen in finals all the time.

Tell me about it!

I'm upset in the finals every time we shit the bed!!

 

[lucablight]

Career win rate goes close but really how can you compare them? If you compare Stuart and Kearney's record at the same club (Parramatta) it looks like Kearney is better. If you compare Stuart and Flanagan (Sharks) it looks like Flanagan is better. But even those comparisons are flawed because they coached there at different times.

It’s not good enough to just say we made the finals and that’s enough. Eventually you reach a point where the coach has to take you to the next level or you need a change.

 

[Gary Gutful]

No, one is an all time great coach and one is a bum who can’t even make it past week 2. Even mentioning Bea in the same sentence is laughable.

No-one was making that comparison FFS. Have you been sniffing glue?

 

[Gary Gutful]

We should have finished above the roosters last season. Arguably Manly as well.

We didn’t though did we?

 

[hineyrulz]

No-one was making that comparison FFS. Have you been sniffing glue?

No, you got any??


I’ll need some to sit through tomorrow nights game.

 

[Gary Gutful]

We need to be the club with the "better" coach in that metric....

We can't keep having stats excusing repeated failures where the coach and board say, "well your honour, we did great to get where we went, but eventually we were always going to have play someone better so where finished was more or less expected"....

The 2005 Tigers should have f**ked off after week 1 in that scenario....

I don’t think anyone is using it as an excuse. That’s incorrect, incorrect.

Rest of your post is correct though.

 

[yy_cheng]

Joey johns said someone was very stubborn at parra

Was it gutho or ba?

 

[Gary Gutful]

No, you got any??


I’ll need some to sit through tomorrow nights game.

*shit