Eels in the media

[JokerEel]

That last paragraph sums it up nicely I think

 

[the phantom menace]

Because I have NFI what you are smoking I asked my mate Chat gtp to clarify what you want..

Ok... you're the one that was replying and questioning others (me in this case) putting across a point of view that the head coach must have some accountability for at least continued maintenance and improvement of "the system" - which it seems some people (you in this case) like to infer the coach carries no role and/or accountability.

And now you've gone ChatGPT instead of have a discussion - that's even sub-Pou level . The rest of your post? TL.DR.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

That last paragraph sums it up nicely I think

They are so desperate for a scapegoat that they attribute a club's entire success or failure to one person. No wonder ChatGPT thinks they're f**kwits.

 

[JokerEel]

Ok... you're the one that was replying and questioning others (me in this case) putting across a point of view that the head coach must have some accountability for at least continued maintenance and improvement of "the system" - which it seems some people (you in this case) like to infer the coach carries no role and/or accountability.

And now you've gone ChatGPT instead of have a discussion - that's even sub-Pou level . The rest of your post? TL.DR.

That's because your post made no sense so I had to ask my friend to assist.

Btw never inferred BA had no accountability that's just your wild take on it.

 

[the phantom menace]

No worries, all good.

 

[hineyrulz]

They are so desperate for a scapegoat that they attribute a club's entire success or failure to one person. No wonder ChatGPT thinks they're f**kwits.

I’ve got ChatGPT on ignore merkin!!

 

[Iamback]

Ciraldo and Webster only recently left since all these players have been developed same as Barrett he was there when Cleary and Lui where coming through.

Its the system and team of coaches that develop these players not 1 coach.

Arthur has done fine with the resources he has as a head coach.

Brian To'o was NSW player of the year - Has only ever played under Ivan

Liam Martin now a test player only played under Ivan.

Crichton and so on.

They both need to work together, the system needs to produce the style of player the head coach wants.

It also doesn't produce rep players. So maybe 20% is the coach and the rest is the system

 

[JokerEel]

Brian To'o was NSW player of the year - Has only ever played under Ivan

Liam Martin now a test player only played under Ivan.

Crichton and so on.

They both need to work together, the system needs to produce the style of player the head coach wants.

It also doesn't produce rep players. So maybe 20% is the coach and the rest is the system

Not disagreeing with the last part at all 100% the head coach needs to drive what type of players needs to be delivered by the system.

But Too and JFH did play under different coaches coming into first grade.

Also 1 last thing Cleary is a great coach it doesn't matter how good of a squad you have you also need a great head coach to win 3 comps in a row.

 

[T.S Quint]

The Eels had a 70% win record with Paul Carriage in 1998. He obviously had a great year. Stats says so.

He did have a good year in 1998.
JUst had a shocker in the PF.

 

[T.S Quint]

Who's responsible for creating, implementing, improving and maintaining "the system", if not the head coach (of 10-12 years)?

I'm guessing it's a 'whole of club' type situation where lots of people have input into which strategies are used.

I'm guessing the bloke with the title of Head of Football would be the most likely person to be in charge of implementing it. That would be Mark O'Neill.

 

[T.S Quint]

BA has had ten years, there should be a thriving and successful football program here at Parramatta. I don't see it.

We've made the finals 5 of the last 7 years and made the GF season before last.
Had an off year last season, but were still in the mix to make the finals again towards the end of the year.

It may not be the most successful football program in the NRL, but it's not bad and it's improving.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm guessing it's a 'whole of club' type situation where lots of people have input into which strategies are used.

I'm guessing the bloke with the title of Head of Football would be the most likely person to be in charge of implementing it. That would be Mark O'Neill.

I think it would be different at every club. If you consider all the responsibilities required for the success of an NRL club, these responsibilities would be distributed among a handful of senior management types, including the head coach and various GMs.

Not all these positions would exist at every club. For example, one club might have a GM/Head of Recruitment while those responsibilities would belong to the head of football operations at another club. It really depends on how many of these merkins the club can afford to hire to share the load. No different to many other businesses.

The only position we know for sure that all clubs have is the head coach, because we see this merkin talking at pressers. That’s why angry dopes fixate on the coach as the one to blame for everything.

 

[Gronk]

He did have a good year in 1998.
JUst had a shocker in the PF.

Really ? How was his 1999 year ? He was 26 and in his prime.

 

[T.S Quint]

Really ? How was his 1999 year ? He was 26 and in his prime.

He went to Salford that year.
Retired after the 1999 season.

We just had better players coming through (Schifcoske, Burt, Wagon).

He was a decent winger, an ok fullback. Can't remember seeing him play in the centres.
He was close to man of the match in the final against the Broncos two weeks before the shocker. I think that game just broke him.

 

[Pazza]

We've made the finals 5 of the last 7 years and made the GF season before last.
Had an off year last season, but were still in the mix to make the finals again towards the end of the year.

It may not be the most successful football program in the NRL, but it's not bad and it's improving.

True but I'm taking about strong pathways that bring through high level talent into first grade. Apart from brown and penisini.... I just don't see it.

 

[84 Baby]

He went to Salford that year.
Retired after the 1999 season.

We just had better players coming through (Schifcoske, Burt, Wagon).

He was a decent winger, an ok fullback. Can't remember seeing him play in the centres.
He was close to man of the match in the final against the Broncos two weeks before the shocker. I think that game just broke him.

100% the week before he had a good game and up to that point he was fine, not great, not bad. But he was never good enough to overcome the worst 30 minutes of all time.
Even then comparing that to missing a few conversions is bizarre. Especially in games where we’ve conceded 5/6 tries.
Also the Carige losing his mind didn’t occur until we’d already blown a 16 point lead with 10 to go. Schifcofzke also missed a conversion and Simon a gettable field goal, either of which would’ve meant we won that game in regulation, so going by the Moses cost is those two games, Clint & Johnny have a lot of apologising to do to Carige given they really lost us the game

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I thought the Carige meltdown started when we were 18-2 up.

 

[Gazzamatta]

I'm guessing it's a 'whole of club' type situation where lots of people have input into which strategies are used.

I'm guessing the bloke with the title of Head of Football would be the most likely person to be in charge of implementing it. That would be Mark O'Neill.

But Brad dosent report to him so a Mexican Stand Off is always possible.

 

[hineyrulz]

But Brad dosent report to him so a Mexican Stand Off is always possible.

Brad doesn't report to anyone by the looks, something else that isn't his job.

 

[the phantom menace]

I'm guessing it's a 'whole of club' type situation where lots of people have input into which strategies are used.

I'm guessing the bloke with the title of Head of Football would be the most likely person to be in charge of implementing it. That would be Mark O'Neill.

I'm with Pou (except for his sloppy and inflammatory final sentence) - I think it would be different at each club. Very hard to say definitively.

Which to me makes it silly for anyone to say that Cleary should get no credit for the Panthers system - and that Arthur has no accountability at all for the Parra system.