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[ash411]

So you haven't though this through at all.

Seems that you want the current Board sacked no matter what, but then you have no plan for the successors.

NRL appointed suited bean counters would tie our hands indefinitely and reduce our ability to be competative. Faction riddled election would be a farce and cause more problems that we have now.

Just be careful with what you wish for merkin. "Sack the board" may not be the solution you think it is.

I suggest that you keep an open mind. Sometimes the devil you know, is better than the devil you don't know.....

I tend to agree with Gronk on this one, No confidence motions and sackings are exactly the intended result of Fitzy and his merkin brigade, with him stepping up to help "Bring parra back to greatness" like he's doing us a favour.

i.e. it re-enforces to any white-anters out there that this tactic works, and it works effectively.

But hey, you anti-board lot don't care about any of that, as long as you get rid of the current board, right? what happens tomorrow doesn't matter.

 

[emjaycee]

Hopefully there is some middle ground to be found.
Somewhere between "Sacking the Board" and "Better the Devil You Know".

Although personally, I don't think the members are going to have the choice to make.
The NRL will get the outcome they want because the ego's of some board members and the blind faith of some supporters will see the potential loss of points turn into something bigger and uglier than it needs to be.

Happy to be proven wrong though.

 

[Gazzamatta]

Absolutely Ash.

 

[IFR33K]

I tend to agree with Gronk on this one, No confidence motions and sackings are exactly the intended result of Fitzy and his merkin brigade, with him stepping up to help "Bring parra back to greatness" like he's doing us a favour.

i.e. it re-enforces to any white-anters out there that this tactic works, and it works effectively.

But hey, you anti-board lot don't care about any of that, as long as you get rid of the current board, right? what happens tomorrow doesn't matter.

Yep. Just ask yourself, what would spags and DF want right now????? The board to remain or be sacked????????

Heaven help us if any of those two get anywhere near the reigns again.

 

[Bigfella]

I'm far more concerned at this stage about f**kwits who are so desperate to keep out one of the factions that they don't like that they will let merkins lose us 4 points or more and cheer them on.

The cheer squad led by Gronk ifreek and bartman is as much a faction as the merkins they campaign against.

And the true colours have been emerging as it gets closer to dday.

3p doesn't even exist and these merkins want to keep warning us against them like it is 1950 and they are senator McCarthy.

If we lost points heads roll. Not even the other dickheads ever managed that so its not better the devil you know.

And the suggestion that we only lost points because we assembled a competitive side is not right. We have had the chance to fix it for MONTHS

The side we have and avoiding the loss of points are not mutually exclusive.

That's completely disingenuous.

 

[Gronk]

I'm far more concerned at this stage about f**kwits who are so desperate to keep out one of the factions that they don't like that they will let merkins lose us 4 points or more and cheer them on.

The cheer squad led by Gronk ifreek and bartman is as much a faction as the merkins they campaign against.

And the true colours have been emerging as it gets closer to dday.

3p doesn't even exist and these merkins want to keep warning us against them like it is 1950 and they are senator McCarthy.

If we lost points heads roll. Not even the other dickheads ever managed that so its not better the devil you know.

And the suggestion that we only lost points because we assembled a competitive side is not right. We have had the chance to fix it for MONTHS

The side we have and avoiding the loss of points are not mutually exclusive.

That's completely disingenuous.

Ok then sack the board. Then what ? Give us your roadmap to stability.

 

[IFR33K]

I'm far more concerned at this stage about f**kwits who are so desperate to keep out one of the factions that they don't like that they will let merkins lose us 4 points or more and cheer them on.

The cheer squad led by Gronk ifreek and bartman is as much a faction as the merkins they campaign against.

And the true colours have been emerging as it gets closer to dday.

3p doesn't even exist and these merkins want to keep warning us against them like it is 1950 and they are senator McCarthy.

If we lost points heads roll. Not even the other dickheads ever managed that so its not better the devil you know.

And the suggestion that we only lost points because we assembled a competitive side is not right. We have had the chance to fix it for MONTHS

The side we have and avoiding the loss of points are not mutually exclusive.

That's completely disingenuous.

Who the f**k is for losing 4 points????? I've previously stated sharp will be gone one way or the other if we lose points. The only problem is, the cure is worse then the disease. How is that so hard to comprehend. Oh wait, I almost forgot who I'm responding to.

 

[Stagger eel]

As I said the other day I no longer wanna preempt what may or may not happen before the NRL hand down their decision however I think some of you are not giving the members any credit at all when it comes to choosing the best candidates, non of the current directors with the exception of Geoff Gerard have not in any way shape or form been aligned with both the other 2 factions, I think they realized from the beginning where blokes like Ben smith and in particular Mark Riddell stood in the situation and the same thing will apply to the next elections, the members are smart enough to smell a rat with a candidate and they won't go anywhere near a board room...do you think people would be silly enough to vote Lawrence Shepperd back in?
The members don't want those factions back in but the members will also be unforgiving if what we predict will happen does happen leading up to the agm ... There'll be as many members telling Fitzy and Fenwick to stfu and go away as there will be asking the board to please explain, if it gets that far ..

 

[Delboy]

So nothing should be made out of it if we do lose points???

That's not what I was suggesting

My fear is the diabolical opportunity sacking the board and the no confidence motion gives the Fitzy/Spags plants the foot in th door to gain control and f**k us over royally

I think we all understand that Sharp and the current board have their heart and intentions to promote the club at the forefront, not sure that is the objectives the others, more to prove a point they should never have left , FMD a real dilemma

 

[ash411]

I'm far more concerned at this stage about f**kwits who are so desperate to keep out one of the factions that they don't like that they will let merkins lose us 4 points or more and cheer them on.

The cheer squad led by Gronk ifreek and bartman is as much a faction as the merkins they campaign against.

And the true colours have been emerging as it gets closer to dday.

3p doesn't even exist and these merkins want to keep warning us against them like it is 1950 and they are senator McCarthy.

If we lost points heads roll. Not even the other dickheads ever managed that so its not better the devil you know.

And the suggestion that we only lost points because we assembled a competitive side is not right. We have had the chance to fix it for MONTHS

The side we have and avoiding the loss of points are not mutually exclusive.

That's completely disingenuous.

It's not an either or situation here. You're talking like sacking the board will be a way of avoiding losing points. That won't be an option for us. We're either going to lose points or we aren't. Sacking the board will have no bearing on that AT ALL.

Stop talking like Todd Greenburg has stated publicly that if the current board (or whomever you want to go) stand down or are removed that we will not lose any points. That isn't the case. That has been media fear mongering fed by DF to try to force the members to remove the current board.

At no point during this whole mess has the NRL even alluded to a loss of points being contingent on the status of the board.

If we lose points, ok, that'll be bad. however, at the very least give them their current term to see what they do from there. We can all safely(ish) assume from here that all the skeletons are out of the closet now, and our slate will be clean, penalty or no.

Then come election time, if they have come good by then, maybe we'll all think differently. Knee jerk reactions now aren't going to do us any favours.

The only thing that would get me to support removing the current board right now would be if there was a solid plan in place with highly qualified replacements that already have a plan to move the club forward, but that isn't going to happen, cause said people do not exist, and even if they did, we can't put them in charge now, even if we wanted to. At least, I don't think we can, I'm not an expert on the PLC/PNRL board rules and such.

 

[phantom eel]

:lol: Bigfella going full meltdown over some people having a different opinion on the internet!

 

[phantom eel]

Good onya Ash, another person talking some sense on here :thumn.

 

[emjaycee]

As I said the other day I no longer wanna preempt what may or may not happen before the NRL hand down their decision however I think some of you are not giving the members any credit at all when it comes to choosing the best candidates, non of the current directors with the exception of Geoff Gerard have not in any way shape or form been aligned with both the other 2 factions, I think they realized from the beginning where blokes like Ben smith and in particular Mark Riddell stood in the situation and the same thing will apply to the next elections, the members are smart enough to smell a rat with a candidate and they won't go anywhere near a board room...do you think people would be silly enough to vote Lawrence Shepperd back in?
The members don't want those factions back in but the members will also be unforgiving if what we predict will happen does happen leading up to the agm ... There'll be as many members telling Fitzy and Fenwick to stfu and go away as there will be asking the board to please explain, if it gets that far ..

Don't worry about it Stagger... we can just let things roll on as they will.

The NRL won't use the power they have to dismiss Board members and senior staff for breaking the Code of Conduct they have in place.
The Board will step down because it is the right thing to do for the club and they have all always put the club first so far.
The Board won't threaten and possibly follow through on legal action against the NRL because now we have professional politicians on the Board they never look to protect their reputation through whatever means possible.

We will get a slap on the wrist from the NRL, pay a fine, loose 4 points (sic) and everything will be sweet. The AGM will be nice and calm because it's only 4 points and who really cares about 4 points. In the overall scheme of things, this Board have done heaps of good things so we should leave them all where they are and just let BA and the team earn back any points lost.

Afterall, it has been a witch hunt by Spags and Denis and there is no truth to it. Our Board are squeaky clean and have done nothing wrong so we shouldn't punish them at all.

 

[Bigfella]

That's not what I was suggesting

My fear is the diabolical opportunity sacking the board and the no confidence motion gives the Fitzy/Spags plants the foot in th door to gain control and f**k us over royally

I think we all understand that Sharp and the current board have their heart and intentions to promote the club at the forefront, not sure that is the objectives the others, more to prove a point they should never have left , FMD a real dilemma

Don't tell us what we all think.

If the points are lost it will in large part be because they valued keeping their positions more than accommodating the nrl's requirements and they can f**k off forever.

 

[phantom eel]

I think some of you are not giving the members any credit at all when it comes to choosing the best candidates

The members will get their chance to choose again at the next election Stags, just as they always have. No need to artificially force an election before time.

And do the members deserve credit for their past choices? I'm not so sure they do... given their/our past record of choices, electing Spagnolo's cowboys on several occasions :lol:.

 

[emjaycee]

It's not an either or situation here. You're talking like sacking the board will be a way of avoiding losing points. That won't be an option for us. We're either going to lose points or we aren't. Sacking the board will have no bearing on that AT ALL.

Stop talking like Todd Greenburg has stated publicly that if the current board (or whomever you want to go) stand down or are removed that we will not lose any points. That isn't the case. That has been media fear mongering fed by DF to try to force the members to remove the current board.

At no point during this whole mess has the NRL even alluded to a loss of points being contingent on the status of the board.

If we lose points, ok, that'll be bad. however, at the very least give them their current term to see what they do from there. We can all safely(ish) assume from here that all the skeletons are out of the closet now, and our slate will be clean, penalty or no.

Then come election time, if they have come good by then, maybe we'll all think differently. Knee jerk reactions now aren't going to do us any favours.

The only thing that would get me to support removing the current board right now would be if there was a solid plan in place with highly qualified replacements that already have a plan to move the club forward, but that isn't going to happen, cause said people do not exist, and even if they did, we can't put them in charge now, even if we wanted to. At least, I don't think we can, I'm not an expert on the PLC/PNRL board rules and such.

If you are a voting PLC member it might be worth becoming an expert real quick.

 

[ash411]

Don't worry about it Stagger... we can just let things roll on as they will.

The NRL won't use the power they have to dismiss Board members and senior staff for breaking the Code of Conduct they have in place.
The Board will step down because it is the right thing to do for the club and they have all always put the club first so far.
The Board won't threaten and possibly follow through on legal action against the NRL because now we have professional politicians on the Board they never look to protect their reputation through whatever means possible.

We will get a slap on the wrist from the NRL, pay a fine, loose 4 points (sic) and everything will be sweet. The AGM will be nice and calm because it's only 4 points and who really cares about 4 points. In the overall scheme of things, this Board have done heaps of good things so we should leave them all where they are and just let BA and the team earn back any points lost.

Afterall, it has been a witch hunt by Spags and Denis and there is no truth to it. Our Board are squeaky clean and have done nothing wrong so we shouldn't punish them at all.

Sarcasm level: Teenage girl.

POTY, right here.

 

[phantom eel]

Don't tell us what we all think.

:lol: Alanis Morrisette eat your heart out...

 

[Delboy]

Don't tell us what we all think.

If the points are lost it will in large part be because they valued keeping their positions more than accommodating the nrl's requirements and they can f**k off forever.

That's good coming from you, I would suggest you spend most of your time telling us constantly what to think by criticising any opinion that is not in line with yours

Not sure you can share a room with your ego 😀

 

[hineyrulz]

So you haven't though this through at all.

Seems that you want the current Board sacked no matter what, but then you have no plan for the successors.

NRL appointed suited bean counters would tie our hands indefinitely and reduce our ability to be competative. Faction riddled election would be a farce and cause more problems that we have now.

Just be careful with what you wish for merkin. "Sack the board" may not be the solution you think it is.

I suggest that you keep an open mind. Sometimes the devil you know, is better than the devil you don't know.....

so if we do lose the 4 points you really think they deserve to stay on???