Eels Salary Cap MK II

[IFR33K]

I don't think Watmough's issue is that major, didn't they just fail to incorrectly inform the NRL about ? Looking at past fines for salary cap breaches, it seems a few clubs have stuffed up on similar issues and just been fined.

It's the other shit from 2013/14 that's the concern I reckon

If they are our main issues, and we get heavily penalised, I'm sure it'll end up in the courts.

 

[Gronk]

One of the problems for us as fans is that we really don't know what the facts and issues are.

What has become clear though is that the media coverage has been incredibly unfair to us as a club.

The talk of penalties as though they have already been decided had been around for a long time.

Basic procedural fairness suggests that the decision of whether we are in breach should come first, and penalty should follow.

I hope we do have a legal team working on this now because the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

If this turns out to be a beat up, expose only minor breaches and we get a wrist slap, the media are gunnal loose their shit if we don't get 10 points or kicked out of the comp.

I hope that Todd has the balls to sustain the barrage of taunting of front and back News Ltd pages labelling him chicken shit and the NRL a basket case of soft c**ks.

It will happen.

 

[84 Baby]

It prolly goes deeper than that.

If I was a CEO I'd say to an IT company that the $250k contact should be bumped to $300k and one of your subsidiary companies TPA sponsor a player for $50k.

Bill Shorten did a deal as a union leader like that. IIRC a construction company paid his campaign manager's salary ?

All this sounds very corrupt, but welcome to the world of TPAs.

Again, they cannot prosecute this argument and pretend that it does not go on elsewhere AND when our fellow franchisees are not subject to the same forensic audits.

Just using a related entity isn't even final for non-arm's length transactions. The one sports group I was involved in required at least 2 quotes (3 if one was from a club member) for everything. We may have had extra quotes, or what if the sponsor related company actually charged us below market or even pro bono... unlikely but they still possibilities

 

[The EELiminator]

If this turns out to be a beat up, expose only minor breaches and we get a wrist slap, the media are gunnal loose their shit if we don't get 10 points or kicked out of the comp.

if that's the case i hope we sue the shit out of someone

 

[Mickyd39]

Is their an actual definition for "arms length"?
Is an arms length based on a person with short,medium or long arms?
The NRL has to change this to either the clubs can be involved or they can't be involved. It has to be one or the other, not arms length.

The media have NFI about what's happening, at first they said SS was due to speak to the IU and then he had and now he hasn't.

 

[The EELiminator]

The media have NFI about what's happening

and you're just realising this now?

 

[Gronk]

If they are our main issues, and we get heavily penalised, I'm sure it'll end up in the courts.

Considering that all of our beloved factions have a long history of being quite litigious, the club seeking injunction and declaratory relief from supreme court seems likely. Argh.

 

[Mickyd39]

and you're just realising this now?

I realised that from the start of this BS.

I just thought i would mention it again as some Parra fans believe everything they read in the paper.

 

[yy_cheng]

Is their an actual definition for "arms length"?
Is an arms length based on a person with short,medium or long arms?
The NRL has to change this to either the clubs can be involved or they can't be involved. It has to be one or the other, not arms length.

The media have NFI about what's happening, at first they said SS was due to speak to the IU and then he had and now he hasn't.

They should let the club be involved and it should be capped.

 

[parra-matters]

Media don't check stuff before they goto print anymore, like when Joshy claimed Semi was on his way to french rugby a few weeks back unless he could play origin.
The media just to hear a rumor and spend hours on the phone trying to get quotes or get another source if they get one they would the legal team to check it and then maybe go to print, now they hear a whisper in a internet forum and print it as gospel.
Because they never seem to be held accountable for anything they do.
Chippy would never have printed parts of a letter if he hadn't seen the full trail.
Man the media has gone to shot these days.

 

[ash411]

I realised that from the start of this BS.

I just thought i would mention it again as some Parra fans believe everything they read in the paper.

You should see what non-parra fans are believing.

I had one guy quote me two contradicting stories, back to back. I answered him, you realised you just said two things that are the exact opposite of each other right? he said, that's what it said in the paper, wouldn't be in there if it wasn't true..

FMD.

 

[84 Baby]

They should let the club be involved and it should be capped.

The clubs are involved and it is capped, it's called the salary cap. But yeah I know what you mean. My post for an alternative cap structure is lost somewhere in this thread. This shit should have been sorted out years ago when the players were whinging about getting underpaid.

Part of the NRL's beef with us is the disruption in admin continuity affecting governance, and that's justified, but f**k, people in glass houses much?

 

[ash411]

The clubs are involved and it is capped, it's called the salary cap. But yeah I know what you mean. My post for an alternative cap structure is lost somewhere in this thread. This shit should have been sorted out years ago when the players were whinging about getting underpaid.

Part of the NRL's beef with us is the disruption in admin continuity affecting governance, and that's justified, but f**k, people in glass houses much?

And how are they planning to solve this? Remove the board and further disrupt admin continuity. It's like, "Hey, my sponge is wet and it's a problem". "I know, pour some water on it".

Solid plan there.

 

[IFR33K]

Considering that all of our beloved factions have a long history of being quite litigious, the club seeking injunction and declaratory relief from supreme court seems likely. Argh.

Could u imagine we are docked 4 points and miss the 8 by 2. Would be interesting

 

[Joshuatheeel]

To fix the current TPA issues, I would just get rid of the whole current TPA's structure. Then allow each club to have $1million of TPA's each year which they can source, negotation etc etc. It must be included in the players contract but cannot be from a clubs sponsor or employee/board members company / business and cannot be guaranteed by the club.

There done, problem solved.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Could u imagine we are docked 4 points and miss the 8 by 2. Would be interesting

If we are docked 4 points, it could just be the best thing that happens to the side. They may just lift and take on a seige mentality and get on a massive roll !!

Obviously we don't want to lose points but.

 

[84 Baby]

And how are they planning to solve this? Remove the board and further disrupt admin continuity. It's like, "Hey, my sponge is wet and it's a problem". "I know, pour some water on it".

Solid plan there.

Then we go to is it really the NRL's plan to remove the board or just the media's?

 

[Gronk]

If we are docked 4 points, it could just be the best thing that happens to the side. They may just lift and take on a seige mentality and get on a massive roll !!

Obviously we don't want to lose points but.

There are a lot of positives that can come from this. -2 or -4 points plus a corporate restructure which stonewalls both Spags and Fitzy would be wonderful. Maybe even that Moss merkin being more hands on.

It could however just make the shit storm far worse that we have ever known it to be. Hence why the NRL need to be clever when they bring about change.

 

[emjaycee]

There are a lot of positives that can come from this. -2 or -4 points plus a corporate restructure which stonewalls both Spags and Fitzy would be wonderful. Maybe even that Moss merkin being more hands on.

It could however just make the shit storm far worse that we have ever known it to be. Hence why the NRL need to be clever when they bring about change.

Just out of interest, why is that Moss merkin being more hands on a good thing again?

 

[84 Baby]

To fix the current TPA issues, I would just get rid of the whole current TPA's structure. Then allow each club to have $1million of TPA's each year which they can source, negotation etc etc. It must be included in the players contract but cannot be from a clubs sponsor or employee/board members company / business and cannot be guaranteed by the club.

There done, problem solved.

That's the thing, barring the $1m limit, I'm fairly certain that's the current way the system works. It's just muckrakers read things like third party & arm's length and apply in whatever way will get the most money, and bad news sells better.

Also can someone tell me what the reasoning is behind club sponsors not being allowed to be player sponsors as well?