Eels Salary Cap MK IV

[Gronk]

Some merkins are saying that we should not weaken the squad for 2017 just to make an against the odds run for the 8. They would rather play for no points.

The way i see it playing for no points is stupid.

Release Jnr and we can play for points. Dont release Jnr and we cant play for points is the same result.

So unless Shuey has a cunning plan like extend Norman etc then we should let Jnr go IMHO.

 

[hybrideel]

The breach is for an estimate of our full year expenditure as the NRL rules it to be. The flipside is of course that we are 570k over for the whole year, which means we need to shed 1,140,000 worth of players based upon a full years contract in order to be able to reduce our payments over the half year by that 570k.

That's the bit that i have struggled to understand. We are basically being punished double the supposed cap breach roster wise as well as all our points.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think there is some confusion in the media reports regarding replacement of say Paulo should he be released. The cap is your Top 25 player payments.
If Paulo is on $180k, and he's already been paid half then his cap value for the year would be $90k. If $90k means he is one of the Top 25 paid players in the club, then there is no reason for a "replacement" in the Top 25.
It would make management of the 2nd tier interesting however where exemptions can be applied for as necessary.
Should be the same with Watmough.

Good point Abacus. You seem like a man (or woman) who can count.

 

[hybrideel]

Some merkins are saying that we should not weaken the squad for 2017 just to make an against the odds run for the 8. They would rather play for no points.

The way i see it playing for no points is stupid.

Release Jnr and we can play for points. Dont release Jnr and we cant play for points is the same result.

So unless Shuey has a cunning plan like extend Norman etc then we should let Jnr go IMHO.

But if the calculations are right then releasing Junior will only save $50k when you take half his supposed $180k contract off and then replace with half a min wage players contract. For a guy who is as important to the go forward of the team as he is, a $50k saving is not worth it. I think we need to rely an arguing the validity of some of the TPAs

 

[Gronk]

f**k. Try hard to get under but if it's all too hard and impacts on 2017 then pull the pin. Send players off for operations. Blood kids. Build for 2017.

 

[emjaycee]

Let's assume we have to get rid of a top 25 player - which position(s) do we have surplus in and who would we look to release?

It would have to be someone that another club was prepared to pay full freight on the remainder of the year for.

 

[Chipmunk]

Let's assume we have to get rid of a top 25 player - which position(s) do we have surplus in and who would we look to release?

It would have to be someone that another club was prepared to pay full freight on the remainder of the year for.

Peats is the obvious one, we already have three other players in his position on the books, two of them already in the Top 25, and one of them has proved he can cover the role more than adequately.

 

[parra-matters]

The form we have shown so far it would be a shame to waste the season, if we play like we have for the first 9 rounds for the rest of the year with the draw we have we could finish 6th or 7th and still have a crack a Grand final.

 

[emjaycee]

Peats is the obvious one, we already have three other players in his position on the books, two of them already in the Top 25, and one of them has proved he can cover the role more than adequately.

My thoughts exactly and although it wouldn't be a popular decision, if BA needs to make it then I for one will trust him.

 

[strider]

We are seeing a bit more time manipulation by the nrl.

Give us 28 days to prepare our response but still only 10 days to cut salaries.

In 28 days they will go, oh yeah it was only 300k over.

 

[parra-matters]

Peats is the obvious one, we already have three other players in his position on the books, two of them already in the Top 25, and one of them has proved he can cover the role more than adequately.

If we can do a deal with a club like we did with Morgan to the Storm, just for the rest of the season we could spare someone like Teropo.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

It's really not worth releasing a player to get under the cap for 15 games. Assuming our cap is finally under control for 2017, all we are doing is releasing a player to only have to sign a similar valued player for 2017. What a waste of effort !! Might as well start planning for 2017 rather then release anyone.

 

[hybrideel]

So if we are only getting half of Watmoughs salary removed, does that mean the NRL refused to backdate to when the injury occurred?

 

[strider]

shed a core player = lose player morale = lose momentum = waste of time

 

[hybrideel]

We are seeing a bit more time manipulation by the nrl.

Give us 28 days to prepare our response but still only 10 days to cut salaries.

In 28 days they will go, oh yeah it was only 300k over.

That's my fear. We lose an important player which will impact team morale and then once we submit our response the NRL look it over and say yeah we agree that cap breach wasn't as bad as first thought and we play the rest of the season $300k or so under the cap

 

[Joshuatheeel]

My thoughts exactly and although it wouldn't be a popular decision, if BA needs to make it then I for one will trust him.

The playing group / coaching staff is the only factor currently giving the club any hope at the moment. The last thing we need is a pissed off playing group!!

 

[Joshuatheeel]

shed a core player = lose player morale = lose momentum = waste of time

Yes I agreed. It would just stuff our 2017 season.

 

[Chipmunk]

I think it also needs to be stressed that Schubert is the only person that has been quoted in all of these articles that speculate that we need to move another player along and none of his comments give me any reason to suggest that we are releasing a player unless this release was well under way anyway.

I think the media has been doing their own calculations for the sake of writing an article and they're all probably basing their information on the first person that came up with the reasoning that we need to get rid of another player.

Schubert saying "throw some numbers up in the air and see what happens." doesn't really indicate to me that he believes we need to offload any players.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I think there is some confusion in the media reports regarding replacement of say Paulo should he be released. The cap is your Top 25 player payments.
If Paulo is on $180k, and he's already been paid half then his cap value for the year would be $90k. If $90k means he is one of the Top 25 paid players in the club, then there is no reason for a "replacement" in the Top 25.
It would make management of the 2nd tier interesting however where exemptions can be applied for as necessary.
Should be the same with Watmough.

Agree with your description of the Paulo example.

I don't think it is necessarily the same with Watmough. If Watmough was transferring to another club it would equivalent. But in this case he is 'leaving the system', and not being paid to play RL. If he was signed mid-season by Club Z, his entire 2016 salary would be included in the cap expenditure somewhere (part at Eels, part a Club Z).

 

[Joshuatheeel]

If Watmough retires, this potentially frees up $750k for 2017 which the club probable hadn't budgeted for. We probably need a fair chunk to sign Norman but surely we could do some creative contract negotiations to use it to our advantage.