Evanescence

[Mong]

Have had a good listen to the new album. It's better then the last one and i really liked the last one.

 

[sydraider]

I still don't see what image has to do with music.

If I want atmosphere I listen to Devin Townsend - and he is NOT a pretty man.

Ha ha right you are Hevy but f**k is Devin a legend.


Lacuna Coil sh*t all over evanessance.

 

[pantherz9103]

Ha ha right you are Hevy but f**k is Devin a legend.


Lacuna Coil sh*t all over evanessance.

I heard a few tracks. They seem pretty good but on ITunes they called Karmacode 'prog metal' which is a new term to me. Also they the female and the male both have vocals. I prefer if only one person does the vocals.

Evanescence are more mainstream than these guys which I prefer because I'm essentially not a big fan of this music exclusively, just of Evanescence and the closest thing I like to that would be Korn.

So whether they sh*t over Evanescence or not doesn't matter to me (obviously I think they don't and with music the only thing that should matter is your own personal opinion), because I didn't know who 'Lacuna Coil' was until recently :lol:

 

[pantherz9103]

I agree, Lacuna Coil are a better band and Christina Scabbia is better looking.

No way #-o Just because she shows more skin doesn't mean she looks better. I love Amy Lee :crazy: didn't even know who the other chick was until people started to say 'check out Lacuna Coil' after I told them I liked Evanescence.

 

[elyod138]

No way #-o Just because she shows more skin doesn't mean she looks better. I love Amy Lee :crazy: didn't even know who the other chick was until people started to say 'check out Lacuna Coil' after I told them I liked Evanescence.

Amy Lee would look like a boy without makeup.

 

[pantherz9103]

Amy Lee would look like a boy without makeup.

:roll: you have some wierd perceptive filters going on there.

 

[aphelion]

No way #-o Just because she shows more skin doesn't mean she looks better. I love Amy Lee :crazy: didn't even know who the other chick was until people started to say 'check out Lacuna Coil' after I told them I liked Evanescence.

It's not just the skin factor. It's also because Christina doesn't need an hour worth of airbrushing to look half decent.

LC predate Evanescence by around 5 years. Evanescence owe their entire existance to what they plagiarised from LC. There's more to life than what you see on Rage my friend.

 

[HevyDevy]

Plus Lacuna Coil don't have the same commercial leanings that taint Evanescence's music.

 

[pantherz9103]

It's not just the skin factor. It's also because Christina doesn't need an hour worth of airbrushing to look half decent.

LC predate Evanescence by around 5 years. Evanescence owe their entire existance to what they plagiarised from LC. There's more to life than what you see on Rage my friend.

Evidence for such a claim? give me a direct example of specific songs or the argument falls flat. Lacuna Coil started in Milan, Italy in 1994 while Evanescence started in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1998. Are you sure they knew much about one another anyway? I don't think the sound is that similar anyway.

Who is the better band? a bit of a :? question. It comes down to personal subjective taste like most things do with the arts and is only really of interest if you like both bands or perceive them as similar styles. Neither criteria apply for me.

P.S. about the airbrushing comment. I think Amy is pretty but its not as though I think she's the best looking woman on earth or anything. But she has a definitive style and look which stand out to me and other fans which combines well with her clothing, voice and the style of Evanescence's music. If I didn't like her voice and the band I probably would appreciate her looks less (even though the music and her talent are more important). Its the old adage 'I've grown accustomed to her face' that applies.

 

[pantherz9103]

Plus Lacuna Coil don't have the same commercial leanings that taint Evanescence's music.

I don't believe the commercial leanings 'taint' Evanescence's music. Just make them more accessible to a wider variety of music tastes. If you're thinking of singles like 'Call Me When You're Sober' or 'Bring Me to Life' I'd agree with you. I'm not big fans of those tracks because they are a bit too commercial. Commercial meaning limited to the short time structure and verse chorus verse chorus throw in a bridge, a bit 'Hollywoodish' even. My favourite songs of Evanescence are not usually the singles that are put out for big sales. 'Whisper', 'Imaginary' from Fallen and 'Lacrymosa' from The Open Door are among my favourites and none are singles.

 

[jed]

There was one song I disliked off Fallen (Everybody's Fool), but after seeing the clip, I liked it, and became one of my favorites, I finally understood what it was getting at.

I agree about the non-singles being better (to me anyway) - my other favorites were Hello and Whisper off their first album, but my fave is their former B-side entitled Missing (you can find it on the CD that acompanies Anywhere But Home)

 

[pantherz9103]

Whisper quote]

Awesome track!

catch me as i fall
say you're here and it's all over now
speaking to the atmosphere
no one's here and i fall into myself
this truth drives me into madness
i know i can stop the pain if i will it all away

don't turn away
don't give in to the pain
don't try to hide
though they're screaming your name
don't close your eyes
God knows what lies behind them
don't turn out the light
never sleep never die

i'm frightened by what i see
but somehow i know that there's much more to come
immobilized by my fear
and soon to be blinded by tears
i can stop the pain if i will it all away

don't turn away
don't give in to the pain
don't try to hide
though they're screaming your name
don't close your eyes
God knows what lies behind them
don't turn out the light
never sleep never die

fallen angels at my feet
whispered voices at my ear
death before my eyes
lying next to me i fear
she beckons me shall i give in
upon my end shall i begin
forsaking all i've fallen for i rise to meet the end

servatis a periculum
servatis a maleficum
(repeat to end)

 

[Mong]

Plus Lacuna Coil don't have the same commercial leanings that taint Evanescence's music.

Oh, so any "commercial" group is tainted?

By what??

Success??

Do you automatically not listen to something if it has commercial leanings?

 

[HevyDevy]

There is a difference between being successful and having commercial leanings Mong.

I'm not someone who runs around saying "they sold out".

By commercial leanings I refer to a very definite commercial sound that can be heard in a large number of bands - the production being a very, very large part of that.

Unfortunately when that happens it dissipates much of the energy and/or talent that may have otherwise been present in that band's music.

It's why I have a problem with music that is widely deemed to be "radio friendly" because it's code for "watered down".

Is that clearer?

 

[Mong]

By commercial leanings I refer to a very definite commercial sound that can be heard in a large number of bands - the production being a very, very large part of that.

Unfortunately when that happens it dissipates much of the energy and/or talent that may have otherwise been present in that band's music.

It's why I have a problem with music that is widely deemed to be "radio friendly" because it's code for "watered down".

Is that clearer?

Nope.. I don't see how that applies to a band like Evanescence at all. I think they have done well, particularly in the latest record, to get the interest of someone like myself who rarely listens to anything that is played on the radio outside of JJJ and also have their songs regularly on normal radio station.

Their talent and energy is alive and well and plain to see... All in my opinion of course. Thats the thing with music, totally subjective..

 

[HevyDevy]

Well I will admit to not having heard much of Evanescence outside of their singles but a song such as "Bring Me To Life" for example with blatant nu-metal leanings was disappointing. VERY commercial.

I don't think Evanescence are bad, but to me they're just another band.

So Amy has a very good voice - a vocalist doesn't make the music.

 

[Mong]

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quote=HevyDevy]Well I will admit to not having heard much of Evanescence outside of their singles but a song such as "Bring Me To Life" for example with blatant nu-metal leanings was disappointing. VERY commercial.

I wasn't a fan of the band when that came out, it was a fair bit later till i really discovered them. Pays to have a listen to more then a few songs to form an impression on a band

So Amy has a very good voice - a vocalist doesn't make the music.

[/QUOTE]

It's her voice that sets the band aside from other bands of similar genre, without her they are just another band. I think you under estimate her influence on their success.

 

[HevyDevy]

1) Agreed
2) I know her voice is a large reason for her success and good luck to her. She does indeed have a very impressive voice. But the music itself, to me anyway, lacks inspiration.

I would rather listen to Evanescence then a lot of crap sitting alongside it these days - it just so happens that I have the choice to ignore the lot.

 

[Mong]

1) Agreed
2) I know her voice is a large reason for her success and good luck to her. She does indeed have a very impressive voice. But the music itself, to me anyway, lacks inspiration.

I would rather listen to Evanescence then a lot of crap sitting alongside it these days - it just so happens that I have the choice to ignore the lot.

Points noted, you connect to what you connect to, if we all liked the same music it would all sound the same.

I do however feel sorry for people who:

Think that only their music is good and everything else could not possibly be anything but sh*te and if you listen to it you have no taste.

Will dismiss a band because they don't like their political leanings without listening to them but will still make comment on their music.

Automatically dismiss a group that is commercial, or in this case commercial leanings without listening to them.

Music is great fun and a great source of inspiration yet people will limit what they can experience so they can be "cool"...

If it's good listen to it, who cares who is performing it...

All just my opinion though

 

[HevyDevy]

haha, if I listene to music because it was "cool" my CD collection would be very different to what it is now!!

Pretty sure Aphelion and I are the only ones on here that listen to the likes of Immortal, Bathory and Nile.

The probelm I do have with commercial leanings however isn't with the fact that it's commercial or it sells but that music that is commercial or sells usually has a certain sound that I find dull, uninspiring and very, very boring.

Even bands that on the surface appear very different tend are often not very different at all when it comes down to the meat and potatoes.

That's why I tend to enjoy music that's not necessarily instantly appealing because I still want to be in awe on the 100th listen, discovering new things, hearing that 25th layer I didn't notice before, being stunned at the polyrythms on show etc.