Expansion, where and when??

[kickback]

Ipswich would be logical, already have a supporter base and leagues club, and is one of the fastest growing area's in Australia!! Stadiam would need some work though, but the way this state goverments throwing money around that wont be a problem.

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

no not at all, they are allowed to make a loss because thier parent company sees it in thier best interest that way. Its not like the bills arent being paid.

If I owned two companies and one lost $6m but made my other company $20m i would be ok with that.

 

[Perth Red]

They are no different to most NRL clubs who require a top fund from some other source than their own income. Wether it be Sth's needing $4mill from Rusty and PHac or Parra needing $5mill from their leagues club. If News pull out of Storm and no other funding is avilable they will simply cut their expenditure to closer to what the majority of other clubs are operating on and not be so dominant.

Having said that the NRL has a responsibility to make sure they are on FTA in Victoria so they can maximise their revenue.

ps nearly 16,000 turned out in Perth for last seasons game, it's not like we are starting from scratch!

 

[Rockin Ronny]

You only say this because you cant or refuse to see the bigger picture.
If you were given a blank cheque to run a football team would you spend as little as you could, or what ever it take to be successful.
The storm have been done no favours by the league or channel 9 in promoting the game in victoria.
Guess you think the almost 1m people that watched the grand final in melbourne were just on the wrong channel.
By flooging pay tv subsciptions they actually make money if they didnt they wouldnt still be around and News Ltd wouldnt want them to survive.
Sure i work on the phones at foxtel, give us a call and i will hook you up and rupert said to say hi!

The bigger picture is this.
Rugby league after 100 years is popuar in less than 1% of the civilised world. Many reasons - but chief is self-interest and incompetence of the dinosaurs who ran the game and the clubs who couldn't look past their own backyards.

If you can't genuinely make rugby league a global game, then you have to continue to strengthen its base. This is why mebourne should, of course, remain but the CC Bears should be given the nod for 2013 immediately then Perth then another Qld team.

If rugby league was operating independently, then it would be financially sound because Foxtel and FTA would be paying thru the nose to the game to get critical content. If you also introduce competent business people to run the clubs who can ramp up sponsorship and membership levels, you will have a thriving, expanding game which is not beholden to some self-interested old turd like Murdoch who has zero interest in rugby league or his puppet lackeys like Gallop.

This, mate, is the real big picture.

 

[_MayMoo 2]

The NRL know that another NSW team isn't going to help in the long run, they already have saturation in NSW. Bears best hope is for an existing NSW team to relocate to another part of the country or go under and free up a NSW slot.

Do They ??

That's funny cause they keep getting quoted about how they really want a team on the Central Coast and how it should be linked to the North Shore of Sydney and that they are talking to the Bears etc etc.

Thanks for the tip on what we should be doing, but we'll keep doing what were doing at the moment which is building an irresistable bid representing a catchment of nearly 1mil people, with the undeniable attraction of reinstating a foundation club with a proud histroy.

I dont know how that = saturation.

By your feeble argument (that you have falsely put into words as if you are talking on behalf of the NRL) - We should put a team in TASSIE next, as they don't have many fans there at the moment.

 

[Perth Red]

You are presuming that alleged catchment of 1million currently do not watch RL but will do when a CC team enters the NRL.Reality is if they are going to watch Rl they probably already are given the area has a number of games they can attend, a number of clubs they can support and TV coverage they can watch.

 

[Fraser]

why would the nrl want to go to perth

we are becoming like the afl and just plonking teams in areas that arent heartlands

we continue to ignore seqld

 

[Perth Red]

Have you been living in a cave?

 

[_MayMoo 2]

You are presuming that alleged catchment of 1million currently do not watch RL but will do when a CC team enters the NRL.Reality is if they are going to watch Rl they probably already are given the area has a number of games they can attend, a number of clubs they can support and TV coverage they can watch.

This is a unique bid that brings a lot to the table other than pure viewing numbers.

Although I in fact do assume that a lot of these poeple will watch RL more when they have there own team, including the North Shore of Sydney. League lost a s***load of fans when the Bears were punted, even Gallop has acknowledged this.

Obvioulsy the NRL (whom you earlier claimed to be representing) think that a CC Bears is a good idea too, as they keep mentioning the Central Coast first whenever expansion is raised.

 

[Highway1]

Ipswich/Logan?

They can be part of the South Brisbane catchment area because both of theses area a based south of the river but within greater brisbane.

Besides Ipswich and Logan have got nothing in common with each other other than the Logan Motorway and being sh*thole central.

 

[Fraser]

Have you been living in a cave?

mate dont get me wrong, we need perth, adelaide and darwin in the nrl

i just dont want the same thing to happen as it did in the sl war

i think if we get perth reds back in the nrl soon enough we would have enough time to get fans to choose between the force and reds,

of course most will choose reds after realising what a snorefest yawnion is, and will be amazed by how actually good league is while ignoring all the troubles the game gets into

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

The Reds and Rams werent exactly failures. Not raging successes but they could have kept going with less support then Melbourne have needed.

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

The bigger picture is this.
Rugby league after 100 years is popuar in less than 1% of the civilised world. Many reasons - but chief is self-interest and incompetence of the dinosaurs who ran the game and the clubs who couldn't look past their own backyards.

If you can't genuinely make rugby league a global game, then you have to continue to strengthen its base. This is why mebourne should, of course, remain but the CC Bears should be given the nod for 2013 immediately then Perth then another Qld team.

If rugby league was operating independently, then it would be financially sound because Foxtel and FTA would be paying thru the nose to the game to get critical content. If you also introduce competent business people to run the clubs who can ramp up sponsorship and membership levels, you will have a thriving, expanding game which is not beholden to some self-interested old turd like Murdoch who has zero interest in rugby league or his puppet lackeys like Gallop.

This, mate, is the real big picture.

you say you see the big picture so why would locate a team in an area of 300k than has 10 teams within a couple of hundred k's of it. The people of the CC will still follow and watch league even when they dont get a team.
If there are that many supporters from the north shore that wanted a team why did the bears fold in the first place, thats right they were broke. If it was still a sydney comp than sure let them in. The market in nsw is saturated.
CC should be a relcation site at best

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

mate dont get me wrong, we need perth, adelaide and darwin in the nrl

we dont need darwin do you realise the NT has a population of just over 200k, sure televise the game there, play a game or three but we would be stupid to base a team there in the short term.

 

[Perth Red]

The first year the Reds were a great success. As the clouds of SL began to form was when it all went pear shaped. You can't judge how successful we will be 14 years on from when we came in during those dark days. For starters Perth has grown massively in that time.

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

how many times did the GC fail before they got it right?

 

[bobmar28]

So using your rationale. no NRL club needs to be financially sufficient so long as the money attracted by TV rights covers their losses?

I would agree with that. If TV money can fund the expansion of our game then go for it I say.

 

[bobmar28]

The bigger picture is this.
Rugby league after 100 years is popuar in less than 1% of the civilised world. Many reasons - but chief is self-interest and incompetence of the dinosaurs who ran the game and the clubs who couldn't look past their own backyards.

If you can't genuinely make rugby league a global game, then you have to continue to strengthen its base. This is why mebourne should, of course, remain but the CC Bears should be given the nod for 2013 immediately then Perth then another Qld team.

If rugby league was operating independently, then it would be financially sound because Foxtel and FTA would be paying thru the nose to the game to get critical content. If you also introduce competent business people to run the clubs who can ramp up sponsorship and membership levels, you will have a thriving, expanding game which is not beholden to some self-interested old turd like Murdoch who has zero interest in rugby league or his puppet lackeys like Gallop.

This, mate, is the real big picture.

Why would NSW get an 11th team ahead of QLD which has only 3.

 

[_MayMoo 2]

Why would NSW get an 11th team ahead of QLD which has only 3.

Well I suppose we should start with TAS, then SA, then WA, then Norfolk Island.

Then we go with VIC for a 2nd team, and etc etc.

What is this obsession with the number of teams in NSW, ever checked the number of people in NSW ?

I agree QLD definitely needs another team, SE (not sure where).

The Bears bid and all the factors surrounding it, should if strong enough be accepted on it's own merits.

Not knocked on the head simply because it is in NSW.

 

[jasonstevenswedgie]

about 7 million or 700k for a team
Qld has 4.4 million or almost 1.5million a team
Vic 5.4milion one team
SA & WA 3.8million no team
So you want to put a team in a saturated market and further reduce the ability of these clubs to compete against the likes of brisbane and melbourne.

11 clubs in NSW makes it 630k per team compared to the other 5 clubs in australia that represent the other 15 million australians or 3m a club.

For our next round of expanion we should not consider a population base of less than a million.

The bears bid looks good there is no doubting it, is it the best thing for league future in this country? You appease the few bears fans that are unhappy which there werent that many of last time they played otherwise they would still be around.